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wackomoo
19-11-2008, 21:01
Ouch, glad you clarified that.

helpseeker
19-11-2008, 20:40
Quote Originally Posted by wackomoo
the 15mbps you mentioned is your 95th percentile - simplified this means that your average bandwidth usage should be 15mbit per second (or less)

this is FALSE

95th percentile is a whole different thing!

if you do 16mbits for 4days, and 0bit/second for the remaining 27 days of the month you HAVE BEATEN THE 95TH PERCENTILE BARRIER

and you are OVER the 15mbit 95th!!!

it's NOT 15mbit on avarage (that would be a dream! xD) it's 95th percentile... a whoooole different thing.....

they just take out the 5% of the peaks in the graph, and then bill you to the higher peak... even if it lasted one single hour.

oles@ovh.net
19-11-2008, 19:02
wackomoo a écrit:
>
> Perhaps you should wait for 100% confirmation before switching hosts,


I hope, tomorrow all is clear.


oles@ovh.net
19-11-2008, 19:00
Paranoid a écrit:
>
> The bandwidth options on Premium Series are unclear. They need to be


we have just finished the french version of update right now. Tomorrow
it will be on ovh.co.uk. I hope it will be more clear.


wackomoo
19-11-2008, 18:37
Perhaps you should wait for 100% confirmation before switching hosts, I'm not an OVH employee so I -could- be wrong.

Now, you misunderstood my post (probably because I wasn't clear enough, sorry!)

OVH Burstable Series: 15 Mbps average with 100mbit burst. If you go over 15mbps average, you're capped to 15mbps to the internet.

OVH Premium Series: 15Mbps average with 100mbit burst. If you go over 15mbps average, you're capped to 5mbps between 11am and 1am, and have no cap (100mbps) the other 10 hours of the day.

I'm pretty sure it was meant that the 5mbps was the guarantee when he said no guarantees...


Edit: On Kimsufi, it's 8, 10 or 12Mbps depending on if you choose L, XL-2XL or 3XL-8XL. The above mentioned 15mbps is for ovh, not kimsufi.

Paranoid
19-11-2008, 18:27
With that clarified looks like I`ll be moving to another host who has un-metered at a reasonable cost.

15Mbps average on a 100Mbps pipe and after that your capped to 5Mbps which cant be guaranteed ? Can hardly be classed as as premium anymore.

wackomoo
19-11-2008, 18:16
Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid
The bandwidth options on Premium Series are unclear. They need to be expanded a little for the customer to understand them fully before signing up.

Limit and excess (monthly) Bandwidth at 95% - How is this calculated ? What does it actually mean ?

OVH to Internet -15 Mbps SLA Premium - Is this the standard speed expected on networks outside the ovh network before bandwidth is limited ?

In the event of exceeding 95%, the bandwidth is limited to:

OVH to Internet (Transit) - Not guaranteed between 11am and 1am. ?

Doesn't indicate any speeds so what does this mean ? Guaranteed 0Mbps ?


Everything is vague here and needs clarification.
Google 95th percentile, or check here:
http://www.ocmodshop.com/ocmodshop.aspx?a=363
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burstab...5th_Percentile

While it's still no guarantees, Oles said 5mbps in another thread.

the 15mbps you mentioned is your 95th percentile - simplified this means that your average bandwidth usage should be 15mbit per second (or less)

oles@ovh.net
19-11-2008, 17:28
Craig1983 a écrit:
>
> Does this mean my current servers are going to be set to 5TB bw only ?
>
> I have 4x SuperPlan BestOF


if you want to switch: yes.
if you don't want to switch: no

you have the choose now. you choose the best type of bandwidth for you.
you are free to change once per month.


Paranoid
19-11-2008, 17:27
The bandwidth options on Premium Series are unclear. They need to be expanded a little for the customer to understand them fully before signing up.

Limit and excess (monthly) Bandwidth at 95% - How is this calculated ? What does it actually mean ?

OVH to Internet -15 Mbps SLA Premium - Is this the standard speed expected on networks outside the ovh network before bandwidth is limited ?

In the event of exceeding 95%, the bandwidth is limited to:

OVH to Internet (Transit) - Not guaranteed between 11am and 1am. ?

Doesn't indicate any speeds so what does this mean ? Guaranteed 0Mbps ?


Everything is vague here and needs clarification.

slayer2005
19-11-2008, 16:56
Quote Originally Posted by JALZOO
Slayer an extra 8TB would cost you 160 quid L O L
As Expat said its 2p per GB

I misunderstood what it ment.. its a bit misleading the way it is explained.

yup thats wat i thought.
thought hang on thats weyy to cheap.

wackomoo
19-11-2008, 16:49
And for those 160 bucks you could spring for the 100mbit fully unmetered and get about 30TB/month

Although, if you only have one server.. the regular sp mini for 50 seems fine. (100mbit per client split across 1 server = 100mbit) but if you have more servers (100mbit per client across 200 servers = 0.5mbit per server)

JALZOO
19-11-2008, 16:42
Slayer an extra 8TB would cost you 160 quid L O L
As Expat said its 2p per GB

I misunderstood what it ment.. its a bit misleading the way it is explained.

Expat
19-11-2008, 16:21
Quote Originally Posted by slayer2005
Oles can u comfirm how much the bandwidth is at 100mbit?
2p per 100gig really?
So how much if i had a kimiL and wanted a extra 8tb of bw how much would this be and is it guaranteed?
I think its 2p per gb and you have to buy a minium of 100gb each time.

*Mikee*
19-11-2008, 15:54
I bought a kimsufi server from ovh a few months back -- I now see i am limited per month to the bandwidth i use-- But if i move to the kimsufi standard series i'm unlimited traffic to and from my server-- What is the diffrence between the kimsufi traffic series and the kimsufi standard series ? I see there both the same price !

@ wackomoo Yes i agree that should be in the manager

wackomoo
19-11-2008, 15:48
There are tools for this (Windows: BW Meter, DU Meter; Linux: ifconfig, http://www.ubuntugeek.com/bandwidth-...for-linux.html)

But of course, I do think OVH should supply this in the manager.

slayer2005
19-11-2008, 15:46
Oles can u comfirm how much the bandwidth is at 100mbit?
2p per 100gig really?
So how much if i had a kimiL and wanted a extra 8tb of bw how much would this be and is it guaranteed?

JALZOO
19-11-2008, 15:29
I was thinking the same thing.. Will be hard keeping track of bandwidth usage without!.

Palad1n
19-11-2008, 14:52
How is this info going to be presented to us?

Will there be a icon in portal showing bandwidth per day?

Craig1983
19-11-2008, 13:11
Does this mean my current servers are going to be set to 5TB bw only ?

I have 4x SuperPlan BestOF

I await your reply.

wackomoo
19-11-2008, 12:16
Very much appreciated, Oles!

Quote Originally Posted by oles@ovh.net
how to go fast and no lose someone on the road ?
It's okay if you delay it for 1 day or 2 in order to set all the details right, otherwise we're going to spend those 1 or 2 days asking questions anyway so it doesn't go any faster or slower either way - just makes it easier

oles@ovh.net
19-11-2008, 12:08
wackomoo a écrit:
>
> Thank you for confirming this Oles!
>
> I'm still a happy customer, and I do think it's good that your
> expanding your offers - But please, dear Oles, please make sure that
> when you do something like this that it's completely clear to everyone
> what it entails! Post a full post with all the details at once next time


how to go fast and no lose someone on the road ?

> Now... The kimsufi.com site I visit doesn't have these new things, it
> just says SLA Standard like it always did. Does that mean the servers I
> order now will be the same as the ones I ordered last month -- -and not
> have the 11am-1am no guarantee or 8mbit cap?-


yes.

in Nov 2007, we propose Kimsufi 2008, great offer, lot of RAM, big disk
lot of bandwidth. kimsufi.co.uk works fine.

in June 2008, we proposed the Kimsufi 2008 reload on ovh.co.uk with
lot of services as server PRO. more services with Kimsufi.

in September, we said "stop", we made a mistake. kimsufi isn't a PRO
server. we can't propose so much services with kimsufi. we have to
propose something different between kimsufi and pro. kimsufi.co.uk
was restarted with separated offers, less services, 100Mbps but not
garanteed.

now, we decided to propose 2 new bandwidth offers because our offers
are "too new" for the UK/DE/ES/... market. it's too much differents.
if a competitor proposes 2000GB/mois, what does Ovh propose ? SLA
Standard ? What the hell it is ? So now, you have GB/mo if you
want. You can begin with GB/mo then switch to our SLA Standard if
you want. But SLA Standard doesn't change. It works fine. The goal
is that the new customers that work with our competitors can find
out something that they know (GB/mo & Burstable), join us then
choose something better (we think it's better) SLA Standard.


wackomoo
19-11-2008, 11:30
Thank you for confirming this Oles!

I'm still a happy customer, and I do think it's good that your expanding your offers - But please, dear Oles, please make sure that when you do something like this that it's completely clear to everyone what it entails! Post a full post with all the details at once next time

Now... The kimsufi.com site I visit doesn't have these new things, it just says SLA Standard like it always did. Does that mean the servers I order now will be the same as the ones I ordered last month -- and not have the 11am-1am no guarantee or 8mbit cap?

oles@ovh.net
19-11-2008, 10:36
wackomoo a écrit:
>
> oles@ovh.net;10201 Wrote:
>>
>> - Standard, if you reach the limit, the switchport rests 100Mbps,
>> peering rests 100Mbps, transit isn't garanteed from 11am to 1an
>> (you have 5Mbps) then it's 100Mbps (during the night and the
>> morning).

>
>
> Thank you for giving real numbers, much appreciated!
> But I do have a question: Does this mean the switchport is capped at
> 5mbps during 11am to 1am - or does it mean that we can expect 5mbps, but
> it might go above it?


burstable: yes
standard: no

> And more important: How does this affect current servers?!


There is no changes from September on Standard & Premium. It's
the same. We have just ADDED 2 new bandwidth's offers. That is
all


wackomoo
19-11-2008, 10:10
Quote Originally Posted by oles@ovh.net
- Standard, if you reach the limit, the switchport rests 100Mbps,
peering rests 100Mbps, transit isn't garanteed from 11am to 1an
(you have 5Mbps) then it's 100Mbps (during the night and the
morning).

Thank you for giving real numbers, much appreciated!
But I do have a question: Does this mean the switchport is capped at 5mbps during 11am to 1am - or does it mean that we can expect 5mbps, but it might go above it?


And more important: How does this affect current servers?!

helpseeker
19-11-2008, 09:57
Quote Originally Posted by heathermist
lovely // then we shud have same peering for US and ASIA on limited bandwidth servers, common 2000 gb needs to be a good 2000 gb across the globe and not europe.
yeah, that needs to be super high quality premium bandwidth

we want to be able to do at least 50mbit on single thread to USA as some other .nl ISP does

heathermist
19-11-2008, 07:47
lovely // then we shud have same peering for US and ASIA on limited bandwidth servers, common 2000 gb needs to be a good 2000 gb across the globe and not europe.

Tz-OVH
19-11-2008, 04:35
Wow, the Superplan Mini has gone from 49.99 to 198.99 for the unmetered option...damn! But at least there are multiple options now and things are clearer for those renting ovh servers, you can pick what suits your needs.

oles@ovh.net
19-11-2008, 04:10
DuncanBain a écrit:
>
> oles@ovh.net;10196 Wrote:
>> DuncanBain a écrit:
>> >
>> > Can you change plans with currently rented servers?

>>
>> can you explain more ?

>
> "Of the servers Kimsufi, we now offer 3
> types of bandwidth:
> - GB / month (only UK / ES / PL / DE / IT / PT / NL / IE / CZ)
> - Burstable (only UK / ES / PL / DE / IT / PT / NL / IE / CZ)
> - SLA Standard (100Mbps unsecured beyond 95%)"
>
> Are you able to change from your current plan to one of the plans
> above?


you will be able soon to change. once per month. not every hour.

what did we want to say with the new bandwidths ?

that SLA Standard is a great offer, because you will be able to
push more GB/mo with SLA Standard // GB/mo (with no extra bill)
and you will be have higher burst with SLA Standard // Burstable.
It's a mathamatical fact. Since:
- GB/mo if you reach the limit, you are limited to 1Mbps
- Burstable, if you reach the limit, the switchport is limited
to X Mbps
- Standard, if you reach the limit, the switchport rests 100Mbps,
peering rests 100Mbps, transit isn't garanteed from 11am to 1an
(you have 5Mbps) then it's 100Mbps (during the night and the
morning).

But I don't ask you to trust what I say. That is why some customers
will prefer to switch from SLA Standard to GB/mo or Burstable during
1 month or more (not less) and test it. Then they will know that what
I say here is the true. And maybe GB/mo or Burstable is a better
choose for them ! I don't know.

Now you have a choose. The choose between the "UK/ES/PL/DE/IT/PT/NL/IE/CZ"'s
way (GB/mo & Burstable) and the "FR"'s way (SLA Standard).

And if you are a firm and you need lot of garanteed bandwidth, you
can pay extra to get Unmetered server (SLA Business).


ig0r
19-11-2008, 02:03
So...I have an older pro server. Fully unmetered, 100mbit - does this now mean I get put onto metered against my will? Or does this now mean I have to pay a STUPID amount more for the same server? or does it not affect me as an "existing customer". Now - I probably dont even use the amount of BW thats allocated under the new plans - but thats not the point. I rented unmetered with ovh for 2 reasons. Cost, and "unmetered" - just in case I needed the extra bw.

If its a case of switching us onto metered even though weve had our servers for so long and rented them for the reasons above - Ill quite happily go back to keyweb were you get a true 100mbit unmetered server for the same price , as you do from plenty of other companys out there. your 100mbit metered is stupidly out of touch with other companys... £50 for 5tb 100mbit/£200 for 100mbit unmetered - versus £50 true unmetered from plenty of companys.

Ah well - its your company , and your allowed to do what you want with it. I just think its a real shame youve gone from competative to out of the game .

Edit: Cant we just pretend mine was ordered from ovh.fr lol :P

DuncanBain
18-11-2008, 23:39
Quote Originally Posted by oles@ovh.net
DuncanBain a écrit:
>
> Can you change plans with currently rented servers?


can you explain more ?
"Of the servers Kimsufi, we now offer 3
types of bandwidth:
- GB / month (only UK / ES / PL / DE / IT / PT / NL / IE / CZ)
- Burstable (only UK / ES / PL / DE / IT / PT / NL / IE / CZ)
- SLA Standard (100Mbps unsecured beyond 95%)"

Are you able to change from your current plan to one of the plans above?

oles@ovh.net
18-11-2008, 23:12
DuncanBain a écrit:
>
> Can you change plans with currently rented servers?


can you explain more ?


DuncanBain
18-11-2008, 22:00
Can you change plans with currently rented servers?

HANNApree
18-11-2008, 21:48
sounds good!

wackomoo
18-11-2008, 21:44
Hello,
For the UK / ES / PL / DE / IT / PT / NL / IE / CZ, we decided
to propose the series "Go / month" and "Burstable" and more
our series SLA Standard and Premium. Also, we start
officially unlimited rounds up with 1Gbps/serveur
the SLA Business VIP.

Of the servers Kimsufi, we now offer 3
types of bandwidth:
- GB / month (only UK / ES / PL / DE / IT / PT / NL / IE / CZ)
- Burstable (only UK / ES / PL / DE / IT / PT / NL / IE / CZ)
- SLA Standard (100Mbps unsecured beyond 95%)
- Unmetered (which references to servers PRO)

On servers PRO, we now offer 4 types of
Bandwidth:
- GB / month (only UK / ES / PL / DE / IT / PT / NL / IE / CZ)
- Burstable (only UK / ES / PL / DE / IT / PT / NL / IE / CZ)
- Premium SLA 100Mbps/client
- Unmetered (Unlimited)
- Business 100Mbps Unmetered SLA / server
- Business 200Mbps Unmetered SLA / server
- Business 300Mbps Unmetered SLA / server
- SLA Business VIP 1000Mbps Unmetered / server

The goal is to make our offers comparable offers
our competitors on European markets. Our offers
Standard and Premium SLA have major advantages over
GB / month and Burstable and it is hoped that these benefits
will become better. On the French market, customers
especially seeking offers "no surprises at the end of the month"
and with a maximum bandwidth. We will therefore
not propose GB / month and Burstable in France.

Yours
Octave



"GO/Go" is GB (GigaByte)

HANNApree
18-11-2008, 21:19
Quote Originally Posted by oles@ovh.net
Bonjour,
Pour le marché UK/ES/PL/DE/IT/PT/NL/IE/CZ, nous avons décidé
de proposer les séries "Go/mois" et "Burstable" en plus de
nos séries SLA Standard et Premium. Aussi, nous démarrons
officiellement les séries illimité jusqu'à 1Gbps/serveur avec
le SLA Business VIP.

Ainsi, sur les serveurs Kimsufi, nous proposons désormais 3
types de bande passante:
- Go/mois (uniquement UK/ES/PL/DE/IT/PT/NL/IE/CZ)
- Burstable (uniquement UK/ES/PL/DE/IT/PT/NL/IE/CZ)
- SLA Standard (100Mbps non garanties au delà de 95%)
- Unmetered (qui renvois vers les serveurs PRO)

Sur les serveurs PRO, nous proposons désormais 4 types de
bande passante:
- Go/mois (uniquement UK/ES/PL/DE/IT/PT/NL/IE/CZ)
- Burstable (uniquement UK/ES/PL/DE/IT/PT/NL/IE/CZ)
- SLA Premium 100Mbps/client
- Unmetered (Illimité)
- SLA Business 100Mbps Unmetered / serveur
- SLA Business 200Mbps Unmetered / serveur
- SLA Business 300Mbps Unmetered / serveur
- SLA Business VIP 1000Mbps Unmetered / serveur

L'objectif est de rendre nos offres comparables aux offres
de nos concurrents sur les marchés Européens. Nos offres
SLA Standard et Premium ont des grands avantages par rapport à
Go/mois et Burstable et on espère que ces avantages se
verront désormais mieux. Sur le marché français, les clients
cherchent surtout les offres "sans surprises à la fin du mois"
et avec un maximum de la bande passante. Nous n'allons donc
pas proposer les Go/mois et Burstable en France.

Amicalement
Octave
English please not french as this is uk and law states English

oles@ovh.net
18-11-2008, 20:48
Hello,

For the UK/ES/PL/DE/IT/PT/NL/IE/CZ markets, we have decided to propose "GB/months" and "Burstable" series in addition to our Standard and Premium SLA series. Also, we are officially starting the unlimited series up to 1 Gbps/server with the VIP Business SLA.

Therefore, on the Kimsufi servers, we now propose 3 types of bandwidth:
- GB/month (UK/ES/PL/DE/IT/PT/NL/IE/CZ only)
- Burstable (UK/ES/PL/DE/IT/PT/NL/IE/CZ only)
- Standard SLA (100Mbps not guranteed beyond 95%)
- Unmetered (which redirect to PRO servers)

On PRO servers, we propose now 4 types of bandwidth:
- GB/month (UK/ES/PL/DE/IT/PT/NL/IE/CZ only)
- Burstable (UK/ES/PL/DE/IT/PT/NL/IE/CZ only)
- Premium SLA 100Mbps/client
- Unmetered (unlimited)
- Business SLA 100Mbps Unmetered / server
- Business SLA 200Mbps Unmetered / server
- Business SLA 300Mbps Unmetered / server
- Business SLA VIP 1000Mbps Unmetered / server

The aim is to make our offers comparable to offers of our competitors on European markets. Our Standard and Premium SLA offers have major advantages over GB / month and Burstable and we hope that these benefits will become better. On the French market, customers are especially seeking for "no surprises at the end of the month" offers and with a maximum of bandwidth. We will therefore not propose GB / month and Burstable in France.

Regards,

Octave