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Andy.
10-08-2009, 12:42
Quote Originally Posted by gigabit
Oles is secretly trying to push away all the people who want to get Kimsufis to use for dubious torrent activities
Oles would lose money if he was to take this moral stand, which I doubt.

This is about getting more machines on their existing network giving a higher turnover, simple as.

Andy
09-08-2009, 11:11
Quote Originally Posted by elvis1
you probably have a an atom 270 an N330 is a dual core cpu instead of the typical single core of netbooks
You're right I do only have a single core, but even so, its still not that powerful.

elvis1
09-08-2009, 06:40
Quote Originally Posted by oles@ovh.net
unclebob a écrit:
>
> To reduce turnover:
>
> Why not charge a high setup fee that is refunded after 12 months?


we propose now 49/99Euro setup fee and we will pay you if you
recommand Ovh. 50% of setup fee will be for you.
that doesn´t cut it.. you are aiming 2 things at at time: not to loose old clients and to gain more clients.. not plausible IMHO.. you shoudl offer rebates to those loyal customers who come month after month and assure you a fixed income and give you and your company peace of mind ( your products by themselve are unique and very special).. even your web design should be more aggressive towards being able to capture more attention ( its nice but not aggresive and not 2.0)

all my best hard worker!

elvis1
09-08-2009, 06:31
Quote Originally Posted by Andy
The CPU doesn't have anything to do with the network if the network card has offloading. Also an Atom won't be anywhere near powerful enough to run as a basic php/mysql server. I am on an Atom based netbook right now, and its slow as hell at doing more than one thing at a time. My AV updated itself, rendering the entire netbook useless until it finished.
you probably have a an atom 270 an N330 is a dual core cpu instead of the typical single core of netbooks

DedicatedPros
07-08-2009, 15:26
Quote Originally Posted by wackomoo
Could there be some details about the 50% of setup fee going to me for recomending someone to OVH, please?
Yes I'd like to know about this too, Oles said something about it being ready in 2 weeks but some details could be made public now Will this just be referring a friend that lives within the region you sell to, because if that is so, than this is not a reseller program at all, but rather a refer a friend in your region program

wackomoo
07-08-2009, 13:33
Could there be some details about the 50% of setup fee going to me for recomending someone to OVH, please?

Myatu
07-08-2009, 12:51
Quote Originally Posted by unclebob
Oles I see that you are competing with Hetzner's server range ...
I've never heard of them until you mentioned them

gigabit
07-08-2009, 12:48
Oles is secretly trying to push away all the people who want to get Kimsufis to use for dubious torrent activities

unclebob
07-08-2009, 12:43
Oles I see that you are competing with Hetzner's server range and I think you will have some level of success, but I do not think you are marketing the servers to the right customers.

Hetzner customers != Kimsufi customers

Most Hetzner customers use their servers for reselling VPS, file storage and other professional uses. Most Kimsufi customers I know use their servers for BitTorrent, personal website hosting and just general 'recreation'.

I think the new range would be a good addition to OVH's range, but not at all a replacement for the Kimsufis.

oles@ovh.net
07-08-2009, 12:20
unclebob a écrit:
>
> To reduce turnover:
>
> Why not charge a high setup fee that is refunded after 12 months?


we propose now 49/99Euro setup fee and we will pay you if you
recommand Ovh. 50% of setup fee will be for you.


oles@ovh.net
07-08-2009, 12:18
> But you also changed the bandwith specs, you added extreme setup

because TB costs. the customer comes to Ovh just for bandwidth
specs, they don't care about the quality, they want just to
download max paying nothing. I have no problem to propose it
(no limit) but it will mean "10G for 20000 servers" and no
quality. As you can check here, the quality is very important.
I don't think we can propose it.


Myatu
07-08-2009, 12:15
Oles,

Quote Originally Posted by oles@ovh.net
because I lose 10E/mo with
each new Kimsufi L I sold.
...
All I want is to stop the turnover. So if you renew the server for
20E, I earn no money (1Euro maybe) but I don't lose money any more.
I assume that once you have reached a certain threshold of Kimsufi servers rented out, you will order more servers in anticipation for more customers. But due to the high turnover, you end up with too many servers sitting idle (but costing you money nevertheless).

Is this about right?

So when you gather the data about the high turnovers (since 2008), wouldn't that give you a better view in changing this threshold to a higher number (fewer servers on standby / later orders), at the risk that a server is out of stock at the time of ordering.

There's also no incentive in staying with a Kimsufi server. Ie., "If you will cost US less, we'll recude YOUR price". You could use "Pay for 10 months, get 2 months free", etc. This is the same tactic your largest competitor uses "Get 3 months free!" (and the fine print reads: with a 12 month contract). Plus it's psychological too... What item will get sold first, the one that's £0.99 or the one that's £1.00?

But as people are quite budget conceous (sp?), those that are not willing to pay X amount of months up front should still be rewarded for keeping their server (and so, costing you less). So use a progressive scale, based on how long the customer has the server. First month? £29.99. Next month? £27.99... Etc., up to a point where you're still makng a decent profit, but the price being paid by the customer is quite a significant incentive since the first month to keep the same server.

One more thing... OVH, particularly Kimsufi's, have quite a dark reputation when it comes to spam. And I wouldn't at all be surprised if this accounts for a good portion of your high turnover as well (kind of like drug dealers using pay as you go phone - yes, I liken spammers to drug dealers - scum). I think that on Kimsufi's you should disable outgoing SMTP/SMTPS/Delivery ports by default and require a setup fee / signed contract (with proof of identity) to enable these outgoing ports. Especially if you're targetting gamers, they wouldn't need their own private mail server. AND, keep an eye out on Spamhaus (OVH is listed #5 worldwide) and SpamCop (OVH is #4, Kimsufi is #3 worldwide) because you are basically advertising to spammers... (They see you listed there and think "I'll use OVH!". You don't want a potential customer to say "Oh OVH... Yeah, I've heard of them before when I got spam. No thanks!".

unclebob
07-08-2009, 11:51
To reduce turnover:

Why not charge a high setup fee that is refunded after 12 months?

DedicatedPros
07-08-2009, 11:49
Quote Originally Posted by oles@ovh.net
DedicatedPros a écrit:
>
> gigabit;18878 Wrote:
>> What about if you had just increased the prices of the Kimsufis? Maybe
>> add an extra £5/£10 to the lower end and maybe £20/£30 ot the top end?
>> I'm sure people wouldn't mind paying that if they got to keep the old
>> bandwidth plans (I know i wouldnt mind...).

>
> I agree, just increase the price a bit and you'd be good, also if you
> want to deal with turnover offer cheaper deals to clients that pay
> upfront for say 3 or 6 months.


So I did. It's the minimum that we can propose. 30E is the minimum.
But you also changed the bandwith specs, you added extreme setup prices, and changed a lot of the hardware which I don't think made you any richer.

Why not propose the same exact deals as before except for 10EUR more per server?

oles@ovh.net
07-08-2009, 11:38
DedicatedPros a écrit:
>
> gigabit;18878 Wrote:
>> What about if you had just increased the prices of the Kimsufis? Maybe
>> add an extra £5/£10 to the lower end and maybe £20/£30 ot the top end?
>> I'm sure people wouldn't mind paying that if they got to keep the old
>> bandwidth plans (I know i wouldnt mind...).

>
> I agree, just increase the price a bit and you'd be good, also if you
> want to deal with turnover offer cheaper deals to clients that pay
> upfront for say 3 or 6 months.


So I did. It's the minimum that we can propose. 30E is the minimum.


oles@ovh.net
07-08-2009, 11:36
Andy a écrit:
>
> Perhaps you should not go so extravagant on the deals at the expense of
> lowering the price a bit. Rather than 2GB RAM, do 1GB, and 250GB instead
> of 500GB, going back to what the old celeron based kimsufi was, the one
> people loved.


think in an another way: you can't propose the server for 20E. you
have to propose it for 30E. okey. it's the base of the reflexion.
will you propose a small disk for 30E ? 1GB RAM ? no, you will try
to make the hard better, because it's not the question of the 20E
or 30, you have propose it for 30E. it's the question of the right
service for 30E. I think it's the right service now: you have no
setup fee, no engagement, and 3TB/mo traffic. it's very correct.
of course it's not as good as it was. but it was good becasue the
people bought and use it during 24 months or more. it worked in
2006, 2007. In 2008 we began to have the turnover problem. 1 year
after we have to take the decision, because I lose 10E/mo with
each new Kimsufi L I sold. Now, in Frnce energy is more expensive
(+5% from this month). So the hard, the sad decisions have to be
taken. I'm here for that. Because my goal is to be on the market
tomorrow and keep proposing you the server (okey for 30E) but still
proposing you.

> I realise you have a turnover problem, but if you put the prices up and
> add huge setup fee's, then the same thing will happen because people
> wont be able to afford it. The recession is affecting customers as well
> as yourself, so you have to come to a compromise in the middle.


the prices aren't changed for the all servers you have. 2 ways:
- you will keep the server for 20E and renew
- you won't kee the server and I will sell it for 30E

All I want is to stop the turnover. So if you renew the server for
20E, I earn no money (1Euro maybe) but I don't lose money any more.

DedicatedPros
07-08-2009, 11:24
Quote Originally Posted by gigabit
What about if you had just increased the prices of the Kimsufis? Maybe add an extra £5/£10 to the lower end and maybe £20/£30 ot the top end? I'm sure people wouldn't mind paying that if they got to keep the old bandwidth plans (I know i wouldnt mind...).
I agree, just increase the price a bit and you'd be good, also if you want to deal with turnover offer cheaper deals to clients that pay upfront for say 3 or 6 months.

gigabit
07-08-2009, 11:21
What about if you had just increased the prices of the Kimsufis? Maybe add an extra £5/£10 to the lower end and maybe £20/£30 ot the top end? I'm sure people wouldn't mind paying that if they got to keep the old bandwidth plans (I know i wouldnt mind...).

Andy
07-08-2009, 11:19
Perhaps you should not go so extravagant on the deals at the expense of lowering the price a bit. Rather than 2GB RAM, do 1GB, and 250GB instead of 500GB, going back to what the old celeron based kimsufi was, the one people loved.

I realise you have a turnover problem, but if you put the prices up and add huge setup fee's, then the same thing will happen because people wont be able to afford it. The recession is affecting customers as well as yourself, so you have to come to a compromise in the middle.

I am no businessman but I know "what I want" its just a case of finding someone that offers it. You have seen yourself nobody "wants" these deals, so you have to do something to change them so those people do want them, or your turnover will be even lower than before.

oles@ovh.net
07-08-2009, 11:12
Andy a écrit:
>
> Will OVH be considering changing the new offers after 100% negative
> comments so far? I personally hope you do...


it's not the question of "I don't want to change". It's the
question "not losing the money". Proposing the server for
20E/mo is losing money. I said 5 times (maybe more): we have
the turnover problem and we have to find out a solution. I
was talking here about it and propose the solutions. Every
time everybody said "no". Now, it's the time to take the
hard decision and it was done.


Andy
07-08-2009, 09:51
Will OVH be considering changing the new offers after 100% negative comments so far? I personally hope you do...

freshwire
07-08-2009, 01:35
From £15 + VAT (80GB, 512MB RAM, 1.1GHz)

I think this is a strong market.

.... "the vps without sharing".

Much better hdd response and more Ghz. People are paying crazy prices for VPS will be happy to move to this option.

unclebob
07-08-2009, 01:25
Quote Originally Posted by oles@ovh.net
> From £15 + VAT (80GB, 512MB RAM, 1.1GHz)

for this price, it's a better business to put the server
in the trash and forget to spent the time working.
Why are (1.6GHz) RPS1 £9.99 +VAT?

Think of it as an RPS with a real 80GB HDD, slower CPU and traffic series gbit for £5 more per month.

*Mikee*
07-08-2009, 01:20
I like Andy's Plans

oles@ovh.net
07-08-2009, 01:12
> From £15 + VAT (80GB, 512MB RAM, 1.1GHz)

for this price, it's a better business to put the server
in the trash and forget to spent the time working.


gigabit
07-08-2009, 00:57
Brilliant indeed, would defo get the £80 i7 one.

Andy
07-08-2009, 00:49
I'd like to see something like the following...

Celeron ~2ghz
2gb ram
250gb HD
100Mbps unmetered
£19.99

Pentium Dual ~2ghz
2gb ram
500gb HD
100Mbps unmetered
£29.99

Intel C2D ~2.4ghz
4gb ram
1tb HD
100Mbps unmetered
£39.99

Intel C2Q ~2.4ghz
4gb ram
1.5tb HD
1Gbps (2tb upload at 1Gbps then drops to 100Mbps)
£59.99

Intel i7 ~2.6ghz
6gb ram
2x1tb HD
1Gbps (4tb upload at 1Gbps then drops to 100Mbps)
£79.99

Intel i7 ~3.06ghz
6gb ram
3x1tb HD
1Gbps (6tb upload at 1Gbps then drops to 100Mbps)
£99.99

NO SETUP FEES
Fail-over IP's - £2/m
1TB extra b/w - £15
Upgrade to 1Gbps - £10/m or £150 one off
RAID card - £10/m
KVM - Rent only: £15 per 24hrs

These are just from the top of my head, but something like that would be brilliant...

gigabit
07-08-2009, 00:31
Ah ok, didn't really know if the CPU played a big part in network activites. But yeh it probably would struggle with some databases

Andy
07-08-2009, 00:20
Quote Originally Posted by gigabit
Would an Atom really manage to power a 1Gbit port?
The CPU doesn't have anything to do with the network if the network card has offloading. Also an Atom won't be anywhere near powerful enough to run as a basic php/mysql server. I am on an Atom based netbook right now, and its slow as hell at doing more than one thing at a time. My AV updated itself, rendering the entire netbook useless until it finished.

unclebob
07-08-2009, 00:20
Quote Originally Posted by gigabit
Would an Atom really manage to power a 1Gbit port?
Yes, many Intel Atom motherboard have Gigabit and even dual Gigabit network ports.

gigabit
07-08-2009, 00:16
Would an Atom really manage to power a 1Gbit port?

unclebob
07-08-2009, 00:08
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