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Neil
25-02-2010, 18:42
Quote Originally Posted by Speedy059
How about a nice invitation for the USA clients to test the order form!?!?!??!?!?
Sorry:

(you must have services at OVH to be able to order a miniCloud).

Speedy059
25-02-2010, 10:26
How about a nice invitation for the USA clients to test the order form!?!?!??!?!?

elvis1
24-02-2010, 18:40
Quote Originally Posted by Myatu
Keep in mind Google Mail may place the reply in the "Spam" folder, which happened in my case.
Many thanks, that made it

Myatu
22-02-2010, 19:26
Keep in mind Google Mail may place the reply in the "Spam" folder, which happened in my case.

S0phie
22-02-2010, 18:59
You have to send an email to cloud-subscribe@ml.ovh.net

elvis1
22-02-2010, 18:12
I sent an email to that address and did not receive an automatic reply. Should I do something more or wait?

Thanks in advance

fozl
22-02-2010, 13:30
The best place to get answers for the miniCloud questions elvis1, would be the miniCloud mailing list, although it's Francophone dominated, the devs involved do read this list, address is: cloud@ml.ovh.net

elvis1
21-02-2010, 05:34
Hey, could someone ( from the staff) please answer the questions?

http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showpost.php?...3&postcount=44
http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showpost.php?...8&postcount=53

elvis1
17-02-2010, 01:45
Many thanks! Could you also answer the questions asked before please?

Thanks again

fozl
16-02-2010, 16:46
We will redouble our efforts to maintain consistent pro-activity on the forums.

elvis1
15-02-2010, 16:00
I really appreciate your hard work

Questions ( based on your studies about the subject) :

HDD/iSCSI/ or whatever it is, related to performance:

-2.1%wa : have you seen any spikes ( while using top d1 or htop).
-regarding hdparm : can you tell how many clients where in your box ( either while executing tests which would be ideal or while you had control of the box?).
-Do you think using a constant 10MB/S ( on the drive) would be abusing the service?
- There should not be an issue using internal ( OVH traffic) to connect a handful of cloud boxes into dedis, right?


Also: Neil, Fozle, S0phie, Octave, why can't you be a bit more pro-active on the forums? I know you work like bulls and have other tasks to do, if you feel or know this ( that users have to provide knowledge one to another which is not the way to go as most of stuff in general are mere speculations) how about having an English talking dude . I would not care ( make a poll for this if you need to gather other users info) if he is Aussie, English, American, Canadian or whatever in case salaries are straining your budget

Myatu
15-02-2010, 12:50
Very little, given I had killed the VM within a short period of time. Wish I could have done some more extensive testing, but perhaps this week...

elvis1
15-02-2010, 02:09
Many thanks myatu. How much BW have you pushed already?

Myatu
15-02-2010, 01:37
Heehee! Progress is being made. Someone translated "Rebooter" to English and it's now available on the English manager Difficult task, apparently... "Reboot"... "Rebooter"... Still no re-installation though!

MicroChip123
14-02-2010, 15:08
Quote Originally Posted by Myatu
I can't believe this, you can indeed! That's taking a bit of a p*ss at the non-French beta testers, eh?
no it sets up the server and sends you the emails in english.

i just dont think its been translated by ovh uk staff yet.

and I could understand the words Rebooter and Réinstaller no problem.

Myatu
14-02-2010, 14:42
Quote Originally Posted by MicroChip123
You can do that on the French manager
I can't believe this, you can indeed! That's taking a bit of a p*ss at the non-French beta testers, eh?

MicroChip123
14-02-2010, 14:07
Quote Originally Posted by Myatu
Apparently you will be able to use any of the current OS'es OVH provides on the VPS (though currently the OVH Manager won't let you do anything but look at its settings, not even reboot/reset it).
You can do that on the French manager

Myatu
14-02-2010, 14:00
Elvis1, have a look at page 3 of this topic (http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3472&page=3) - I've cut & pasted some of the output regarding the RAM/CPU specs on a 512 MB box.

Now, my system shows 2 GB of RAM though. What Oles and is minions has done is give you 512 MB of real RAM and 1.5 GB of "fake RAM" based on SSD disks. I guess you could compare it to the "burstable RAM" of OpenVZ machines. The good things is that you have more possibilities of what the box can do. The bad side seems to be a stability issue (at least in my case) and that portion of your visible RAM is slower than the real thing (but still beats swap space).

The HD is visible as a locally attached HD (/dev/sda) and not some kind of iSCSI or EoE disk.

Apparently you will be able to use any of the current OS'es OVH provides on the VPS (though currently the OVH Manager won't let you do anything but look at its settings, not even reboot/reset it).

And there'll be several options for your cloud, including a "high availability" option which supports instant migration to another server upon failure of the host.).

Speedy059
14-02-2010, 03:55
What kind of infrastructure is this cloud based off of?

XenServer ans iSCSI storage systems?

elvis1
14-02-2010, 02:17
Many thanks mate, any idea of how many users per box?

@Neil: does OVH limit access to the disk/s?? what amount of cpu does each 512 MB box come with of frequency? What type of cpu's do you use?

Do you provide multiple templates for OS's?

Do you provide a web based system to increase resources?

If I happened to purchase several miniclouds: could I ask to have my box relocated?

Do you provide a control panel?

Is there a max of clouds per person?

Myatu
13-02-2010, 16:16
I know they use VMWare ESXi and the HD speeds consistently reached about 50 MB/s+ throughput. The network speed seems to be 1 Gbps contested (likely to have some kind of minimum share, something like 40:1 or so, which is still better than most VPS providers). But my VM died within a few hours of testing (and Oles never reset it so I couldn't test it any further, though it's still listed as "mine" in the manager - LOL ...)

elvis1
12-02-2010, 21:38
Thanks Neil!
Additional questions:
-How about monthly traffic?
-What speeds should we expect on static files? of course this varies from where data is hosted ( country, upstream, etc)
-Would it help to have 99% of French traffic which consists in a >90% basis of downloads ( taking the cloud box as a reference) this would help NOT to cripple OVH´s BW and not to make use of transit, right?
-How about HDD access? How is this handled by you? what type of disks will you be using? what type of interface do you use to connect the NAS to the servers?
-Which virtualization technology do you use ?
-which are the max amount of RAM we can select?

Neil
12-02-2010, 15:53
Quote Originally Posted by elvis1
any answer for this please? Will traffic from a RPS, dedi , etc to a cloud box be taken into account?
If it is Internal Traffic then it is not counted at the moment

elvis1
12-02-2010, 13:01
Quote Originally Posted by elvis1
how about BW limits for 512 mb of ram boxes?
any answer for this please? Will traffic from a RPS, dedi , etc to a cloud box be taken into account?

Neil
01-02-2010, 18:26
Quote Originally Posted by Akd
How do I go about changing the kernel to the ipv6 version on the VPS? Have gone the usual route which works fine on the RPS/Dedicated Servers (i.e. grabbing the OVH image and updating lilo), but it is still booting from the old ipv4 one.

Any ideas?
Hi

Not really possible at the moment, unless you compile your own. But there is no Rescue Mode, so you need to get it right first time around.

Akd
01-02-2010, 17:35
How do I go about changing the kernel to the ipv6 version on the VPS? Have gone the usual route which works fine on the RPS/Dedicated Servers (i.e. grabbing the OVH image and updating lilo), but it is still booting from the old ipv4 one.

Any ideas?

jonlewi5
29-01-2010, 23:03
and what about re-imaging the vm? i have a tendancy to break things

elvis1
29-01-2010, 22:01
how about BW limits for 512 mb of ram boxes?

Akd
29-01-2010, 17:45
Will the miniCloud come with an IPv6 ip/subnet available?

Neil
29-01-2010, 16:50
Quote Originally Posted by Myatu
Already sent up an e-mail. Folarin has it. By the way, how on earth do you subscribe to that cloud mailing list? Just send a blank e-mail?
You send a blank email to cloud-subscribe@ml.ovh.net then confirm it by clicking on the link in the reply email and then you can send messages to cloud@ml.ovh.net

Myatu
29-01-2010, 16:43
Already sent up an e-mail. Folarin has it. By the way, how on earth do you subscribe to that cloud mailing list? Just send a blank e-mail?

Edit: Nevermind - response e-mail from OVH got trapped in Google's Spam filter...

Neil
29-01-2010, 16:35
Quote Originally Posted by Myatu
Well, an ode to me I guess, since I managed to crash the miniCloud (and there's no way to reboot from the OVH Manager, so end of test I guess ). That was fun!
Hi, do you have the IP and the reason it crashed? We might be able to do something.

Myatu
29-01-2010, 13:56
Well, an ode to me I guess, since I managed to crash the miniCloud (and there's no way to reboot from the OVH Manager, so end of test I guess ). That was fun!

Myatu
29-01-2010, 12:20
PS... One thing I don't get is why my VPS is showing 2 GB of RAM when it's supposed to be only 512 MB. I'm not complaining if that's what I'll get, but for evaluation/testing purposes, that'll give a bit skewed results, doesn't it? I mean, I'll get heck of a better performance running Apache or MySQL with all the bells and whistles then what I'd get with only 512 MB...

Myatu
29-01-2010, 12:16
Quote Originally Posted by olliegooch
I love how were talking about "poor performance" on a £2 VPS when were benching at 19.2M/s

thank you ovh!
LOL, true. Speed is relative

Ashley
29-01-2010, 11:13
So the cloud works fine for me, I can read from the disk pretty well, can download pretty fast etc.

However, isn't the whole idea of a cloud is to be able to grow on the fly? How do I add resources?

I'm actually getting better performance from the cloud at the moment rather than an RPS lol.

Ashley
29-01-2010, 10:42
I got 100mb/s (almost) speeds downloading via ftp from another ovh box

Code:
Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
==> SYST ... done.    ==> PWD ... done.
==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD not needed.
==> SIZE debian.iso ... 137768960
==> PASV ... done.    ==> RETR debian.iso ... done.
Length: 137768960 (131M)

100%[===================================================================================================>] 137,768,960 6.87M/s   in 14s

2010-01-29 10:46:54 (9.49 MB/s) - `debian.iso' saved [137768960]

olliegooch
29-01-2010, 10:12
I love how were talking about "poor performance" on a £2 VPS when were benching at 19.2M/s

thank you ovh!

Myatu
29-01-2010, 08:11
Q&D Benchmark (WHT variant
Code:
==============================================================
BYTE UNIX Benchmarks (Version 4.1-wht.2)
System -- Linux vXXXX.ovh.net 2.6.32.2-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64 #1 SMP Tue Dec 29 14:41:12 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
/dev/sda1              3120912    503636   2459992  17% /

Start Benchmark Run: Fri Jan 29 07:21:30 CET 2010
 07:21:30 up 11:57,  1 user,  load average: 0.07, 0.02, 0.00

End Benchmark Run: Fri Jan 29 07:35:29 CET 2010
 07:35:29 up 12:11,  1 user,  load average: 11.02, 4.99, 2.54


                     INDEX VALUES
TEST                                        BASELINE     RESULT      INDEX

Dhrystone 2 using register variables        376783.7  2570294.0       68.2
Double-Precision Whetstone                      83.1     1454.4      175.0
Execl Throughput                               188.3     1504.3       79.9
File Copy 1024 bufsize 2000 maxblocks         2672.0    75122.0      281.1
File Copy 256 bufsize 500 maxblocks           1077.0    24430.0      226.8
File Read 4096 bufsize 8000 maxblocks        15382.0   416019.0      270.5
Pipe Throughput                             111814.6   814940.7       72.9
Pipe-based Context Switching                 15448.6   147451.8       95.4
Process Creation                               569.3     4268.9       75.0
Shell Scripts (8 concurrent)                    44.8      314.9       70.3
System Call Overhead                        114433.5  1161878.6      101.5
                                                                 =========
     FINAL SCORE                                                     117.9
Disk speeds:
Code:
# hdparm -tT /dev/sda

/dev/sda:
 Timing cached reads:   7772 MB in  2.00 seconds = 3888.28 MB/sec
 Timing buffered disk reads:  172 MB in  3.01 seconds =  57.05 MB/sec
 
# dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile bs=1024 count=1048576
1048576+0 records in
1048576+0 records out
1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 27.9233 s, 38.5 MB/s
The disk speeds correlate to the maximum download speeds:
Code:
# wget http://cachefly.cachefly.net/100mb.test -O /dev/null
--2010-01-29 07:52:33--  http://cachefly.cachefly.net/100mb.test
Resolving cachefly.cachefly.net... 140.99.93.175, 140.99.94.175
Connecting to cachefly.cachefly.net|140.99.93.175|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 104857600 (100M) [application/octet-stream]
Saving to: `/dev/null'

100%[======================================>] 104,857,600 54.6M/s   in 1.8s
But outside Europe things get a little poor (similar for other mirrors in the USA):
Code:
# wget http://mirror.cogentco.com/pub/linux/centos/5.4/isos/i386/CentOS-5.4-i386-LiveCD.iso -O /dev/null
--2010-01-29 08:15:37--  http://mirror.cogentco.com/pub/linux/centos/5.4/isos/i386/CentOS-5.4-i386-LiveCD.iso
Resolving mirror.cogentco.com... 204.157.3.70
Connecting to mirror.cogentco.com|204.157.3.70|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 723449856 (690M) [text/plain]
Saving to: `/dev/null'

100%[======================================>] 723,449,856 19.2M/s   in 91s

Myatu
29-01-2010, 08:11
Yeah, finally got mine last night (just before I headed of to dreamland!). Did a few quick and dirty tests this morning.

Clean Debian 5 install:
Code:
# uname -a
Linux vXXXXX.ovh.net 2.6.32.2-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64 #1 SMP Tue Dec 29 14:41:12 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
This thing has 2 GB RAM?
Code:
# free
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:       2052992     128096    1924896          0      10836      37548
-/+ buffers/cache:      79712    1973280
Swap:       525304          0     525304
Top:
Code:
# top -bn 1
top - 07:16:25 up 11:52,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.02
Tasks:  74 total,   1 running,  73 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu(s):  0.0%us,  0.0%sy,  0.0%ni, 97.9%id,  2.1%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
Mem:   2052992k total,   128584k used,  1924408k free,    10852k buffers
Swap:   525304k total,        0k used,   525304k free,    37644k cached
What CPU is reported:
Code:
# cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor       : 0
vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
cpu family      : 6
model           : 26
model name      : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           E5504  @ 2.00GHz
stepping        : 5
cpu MHz         : 1995.000
cache size      : 4096 KB
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 11
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss syscall nx rdtscp lm constant_tsc up arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good xtopology tsc_reliable nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt hypervisor lahf_lm
bogomips        : 3990.00
clflush size    : 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes   : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:
What the PCI bus looks like:
Code:
# lspci -vv
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 01)
        Subsystem: VMware Inc Virtual Machine Chipset
        Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
        Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- Reset- FastB2B+
                PriDiscTmr- SecDiscTmr- DiscTmrStat- DiscTmrSERREn-

00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 08)
        Subsystem: VMware Inc Virtual Machine Chipset
        Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
        Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- 

00:10.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c1030 PCI-X Fusion-MPT Dual Ultra320 SCSI (rev 01)
        Subsystem: VMware Inc Device 1976
        Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
        Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- 

olliegooch
29-01-2010, 02:18
Just got mine.

Network speed is excellent, ping times good, speed of the box is unbelievable for a VPS.

However, If OVH launch this for £2 / month as mentioned before, I think im going to have to leave it 2 or 3 months after the launch date; simply because the quality and speed im experiencing now as a beta tester is clearly not going to be the same when everyone + there dog gets one of these VPS's come launch day.

Myatu
27-01-2010, 17:58
Quote Originally Posted by Myatu
"Your position in the queue is: 30" -- Ooh! Ooh! Almost!
That was 4 days ago, and I'm still at "30" by the way. Someone's cheating

tallen
26-01-2010, 17:29
The Cloud server is really good, I was surprised. I did some bandwidth tests and it got some really good speeds, peaking above 100mbit/s.
This is ideal for little websites and MySQL servers. Not bad for games servers either.
However, Disk space is a bit limited for personal use and storage. 5GB doesn't go far nowadays! :P

elvis1
24-01-2010, 02:44
Quote Originally Posted by Razakel
Just don't have a £50 setup fee, that'll certainly kill any interest.


There'll probably be bandwidth limits which will make it unusuable for seeding.

that would be a bad thing. I don´t need this product for torrent and illegal stuff but BW is a must in my case

Myatu
23-01-2010, 19:15
"Your position in the queue is: 30" -- Ooh! Ooh! Almost!

unclebob
23-01-2010, 10:04
Quote Originally Posted by Razakel
J
There'll probably be bandwidth limits which will make it unusuable for seeding.
I hope so

Razakel
23-01-2010, 02:52
Just don't have a £50 setup fee, that'll certainly kill any interest.

Quote Originally Posted by NickW
Yes, let's just hope people don't start using these as a seedbox as it's going to kill the shared HDD.
There'll probably be bandwidth limits which will make it unusuable for seeding.

NickW
23-01-2010, 01:48
Quote Originally Posted by Myatu
I do hope they have some network QOS per VM. I mean, 40 VMs to a server, each running rampant with downloads.. Hmm! But, 32.9 M/s.. I like!
Yes, let's just hope people don't start using these as a seedbox as it's going to kill the shared HDD.

Myatu
23-01-2010, 01:43
I do hope they have some network QOS per VM. I mean, 40 VMs to a server, each running rampant with downloads.. Hmm! But, 32.9 M/s.. I like!

NickW
23-01-2010, 01:11
This is looking promising. I just got mine and ran UnixBench (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=308055) on it "straight out of the box" no other load on it from me.

Code:
                     INDEX VALUES
TEST                                        BASELINE     RESULT      INDEX

Dhrystone 2 using register variables        376783.7  2440777.6       64.8
Double-Precision Whetstone                      83.1     1415.5      170.3
Execl Throughput                               188.3     1165.6       61.9
File Copy 1024 bufsize 2000 maxblocks         2672.0    67358.0      252.1
File Copy 256 bufsize 500 maxblocks           1077.0    27255.0      253.1
File Read 4096 bufsize 8000 maxblocks        15382.0   439290.0      285.6
Pipe Throughput                             111814.6   788655.8       70.5
Pipe-based Context Switching                 15448.6   137659.3       89.1
Process Creation                               569.3     3430.5       60.3
Shell Scripts (8 concurrent)                    44.8      318.9       71.2
System Call Overhead                        114433.5  1449338.8      126.7
                                                                 =========
     FINAL SCORE                                                     114.1
It has more than 100Mbps to it as well. I'd assume each node in the "cloud" is connected via 1Gbps.

I ran 4 speedtests. All were definately over the port speed of 100Mbps. This one was the fastest:

Code:
~# wget http://cachefly.cachefly.net/100mb.test -O /dev/null
--2010-01-23 01:08:32--  http://cachefly.cachefly.net/100mb.test
Resolving cachefly.cachefly.net... 140.99.94.175
Connecting to cachefly.cachefly.net|140.99.94.175|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 104857600 (100M) [application/octet-stream]
Saving to: `/dev/null'

100%[======================================>] 104,857,600 32.9M/s   in 3.0s

2010-01-23 01:08:35 (32.9 MB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [104857600/104857600]

derchris
22-01-2010, 11:00
Does it matter if you order from .com or .co.uk ?
Because I have received an Order confirmation, but nothing else.
Could it be first 500 are already gone ?

MicroChip123
22-01-2010, 10:04
Woot!

I got the login email at 11:15 last night

To OVH Staff:
Is it meant to appear on my manager in the server list?
How do i reboot or reinstall it if it gets messed up?

elvis1
21-01-2010, 22:05
how much would a 512 megs box cost ( per month)?

MicroChip123
21-01-2010, 21:36
Still nothing

What are the bandwidth restrictions?

pete_w
21-01-2010, 20:55
Quote Originally Posted by unclebob
If you sign in to the ovh.com manager in French and then go to https://www.ovh.com/managerv3/cloud-services.pl you'll be able to order one.
Cheers that worked

unclebob
21-01-2010, 20:30
Quote Originally Posted by MicroChip123
My order is in progress still has anyone got there's yet?
Nope. Ordered at 7:11. I expect they are overwhelmed.

MicroChip123
21-01-2010, 20:28
My order is in progress still has anyone got there's yet?

Winit
21-01-2010, 20:27
Overloaded?

tallen
21-01-2010, 20:24
Ahh, if you login to ovh.com then you go to the above link it does work!

£1.99 a month? Does it have setup fees?
Also, do they have their own 100mbit connection? Or Is it shared?

unclebob
21-01-2010, 20:24
If you sign in to the ovh.com manager in French and then go to https://www.ovh.com/managerv3/cloud-services.pl you'll be able to order one.

pete_w
21-01-2010, 20:18
I just get a blank screen

MicroChip123
21-01-2010, 19:28
I thought it was for 5 days not 3!?

Can you put the co.uk version up as the page is blank.

Edit: its taking forever to process
Is it automatic or manual order process?

oles@ovh.net
21-01-2010, 19:16
Hello,

We are starting the miniCloud beta tests. These tests are free for our customers (you must have services at OVH to be able to order a miniCloud).

To talk about Cloud:
cloud@ml.ovh.net
Subscription:
cloud-subscribe@ml.ovh.net

To place your order:
https://www.ovh.co.uk/managerv3/cloud-services.pl

Deployments will start within 30 minutes.

You will have a miniCloud: 1 core at 1GHz with 256MB of RAM and 5GB disk space with Debian and one IPv4. This miniCloud will cost £1.99 +VAT/month.

You will be able to test your miniCloud for 3 days. After 3 days, we recycle the resources for another customer who wish to beta test the miniCloud.

The infrastructure that we put in place is a test infrastructure to make 500 miniCloud work. You will be therefore about 500 pple to use your projects for 3 days on your miniCloud.

Enjoy! And thank you for your feedbacks!

All the best,

Octave