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WooHoo It's About Time! UK Broadband By 2015


NickW
14-12-2010, 23:20
Quote Originally Posted by unclebob
I'm about 80 miles from London, 2.5km from the exchange, yet have 12ms latency with interleave turned off. I'm with Xilo and they are brilliant.
My Virgin Media connection in Manchester pings to OVH at 20ms which isn't too bad. Something tells me it could be a lot better though considering it's only copper to the end of the street then fibre onwards.

When I was living in Uni accomodation in Manchester I could ping OVH in 10ms and London in 6ms which was awesome .

unclebob
14-12-2010, 21:15
I'm about 80 miles from London, 2.5km from the exchange, yet have 12ms latency with interleave turned off. I'm with Xilo and they are brilliant.

Winit
14-12-2010, 20:57
I doubt the change in Be* profile reduced the number of hops between you and OVH.

FTTC will be fine as long as you go with a decent ISP.

HandsomeChap
14-12-2010, 18:26
Almost the opposite, I get 50 attenuation so my line distance is ~4.6km, I sync at 5mbit on adsl2+ (annex M for 2.6mb upload so could probs sync higher if I took that off) and the estate is basically on the periphery of 2 exchanges, in fact the other exchange it technically close as the crow flies.

But bethere network is simply awesome and gaming profile basically puts you on super short routing to everywhere, before I changed profile I had 10+ hops to ovh server with 25-30ms ping, now its never above 20ms in normal situations and I have 6 hops, only downside is you lose about 10% sync speed due to the changes they make to your line (I think they disable error correction, interleaving, etc, so the line cant sync so fast without errors)

That why I think perhaps I will have a worse ping, I know I'll be on fibre all the way down to the cabinet but still if their network is not as great as bethere I can see the cost of getting 40/10 over 5/2.5 will be a lesser quality network overall, but we'll see!

Mac code given to bethere today so theres no going back now anyway.

Razakel
14-12-2010, 14:59
Quote Originally Posted by HandsomeChap
My only fear is my ping will get worse, I'm on bethere with gaming profile enabled, I ping my ovh boxes ~19ms and the hops is literally only 6 hops inc my router which I'm pretty sure is going to get worse.
19ms on ADSL? You must live pretty close to an exchange.

HandsomeChap
13-12-2010, 23:39
My only fear is my ping will get worse, I'm on bethere with gaming profile enabled, I ping my ovh boxes ~19ms and the hops is literally only 6 hops inc my router which I'm pretty sure is going to get worse.

Razakel
13-12-2010, 21:11
Quote Originally Posted by Winit
Good to see.

I'm getting FTTC on 31st December. I can't wait!
I've had it since June. 40/10 Mbit, ~17msec ping to OVH.

Winit
13-12-2010, 21:02
Good to see.

I'm getting FTTC on 31st December. I can't wait!

HandsomeChap
13-12-2010, 14:08
Ok I thought I took a pic of them together on my phone but I cant find it so here's the old BT cabinet:
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/2976/20100916001.jpg
And heres a close up of the digital region cabinet which is right next to it:
http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/4371/20100916002.jpg

If you still don't believe me go and drive round sheffield/rotherham/barnsley/doncaster and you will see already that next to about 50% of BT cabinets there are these brand new tall VDSL2 cabinets all labelled digital region.

VDSL2 can do up to 200mb/200mb but obviously that will seriously degrade once you are on 50 year old BT copper for the final xxx metres to your house.

And yes I am geek enough to stand there and take pictures of network cabinets (can't really call them phone cabinets anymore I think) with all the dog walkers giving me funny looks.

HandsomeChap
13-12-2010, 13:58
http://www.digitalregion.co.uk/

Thats the overall project site

Also along with finding out about it from the council (wife works for them), I called the isps involved, oh and I can physically see the new cabinet on my road and all over the local area. I took a pic of the digital region cabinet next to the BT one a few months ago, I'll upload it in a minute, they are about a foot apart.

the fibre network is built and run by thales on behalf of the councils. It covers 1/2million homes. Thales is an interesting company who also build other cool stuff such as satellites and anti missile defence systems. (honestly!)

BigMAC
12-12-2010, 13:31
Quote Originally Posted by Razakel
I think the point he was making was more that no ISP is going to roll something like that out nationwide because of the cost and that it'll probably just be used in rural areas.
The point i was trying to make is that anyone with enough cash and planning permission can place a cabinet next to bt's and tap into it.

Quote Originally Posted by Winit
Indeed. Rutland is nice because they give access to areas that BT will ignore.
What because their only interested in the big city's where its easy to get clients, If they actually got off their fat ass maybe rolling out to these rural areas would be profitable, After all Rutland telecom is going it and it seems to be going well for them.

Quote Originally Posted by HandsomeChap
they've built their own cabinets adjacent to each one of BT's and their own fibre network that is entirely separate to BT
Still, Who told you this?

Winit
12-12-2010, 00:31
Indeed. Rutland is nice because they give access to areas that BT will ignore.

Razakel
11-12-2010, 23:59
Quote Originally Posted by BigMAC
Its already happened with photos and youtube footage to back it up - http://www.relay-rutlandtelecom.co.u...ton/index.html
I think the point he was making was more that no ISP is going to roll something like that out nationwide because of the cost and that it'll probably just be used in rural areas.

BigMAC
11-12-2010, 19:14
Quote Originally Posted by Winit
Ain't gonna happen. Anyway, if congestion is going to happen, it will happen at the Exchange rather than at the the local cabinet.

Be* etc will probably make use of Virtual Unbundled Local Access.
Its already happened with photos and youtube footage to back it up - http://www.relay-rutlandtelecom.co.u...ton/index.html

Winit
11-12-2010, 12:55
Quote Originally Posted by BigMAC
If i remember rightly, Anyone can place a cabinet next to BT's and tap into theirs.
Ain't gonna happen. Anyway, if congestion is going to happen, it will happen at the Exchange rather than at the the local cabinet.

Be* etc will probably make use of Virtual Unbundled Local Access.

BigMAC
11-12-2010, 00:03
Quote Originally Posted by Winit
Eh? LLU has nothing to do with FTTC.

Quote Originally Posted by HandsomeChap
Yes this isnt unbundling at all, they've built their own cabinets adjacent to each one of BT's and their own fibre network that is entirely separate to BT, how they got the government funding I dont know but its happened and I'm actually glad about where I live for once!
Wrong link... Now i cant find the story i wanted to link to in the first place lol

Who says its entirely separate to BT?

Care to share where the cabinets are?

If i remember rightly, Anyone can place a cabinet next to BT's and tap into theirs.

This is one of the storys i find interesting - http://www.relay-rutlandtelecom.co.u...ton/index.html

HandsomeChap
10-12-2010, 21:50
Yes this isnt unbundling at all, they've built their own cabinets adjacent to each one of BT's and their own fibre network that is entirely separate to BT, how they got the government funding I dont know but its happened and I'm actually glad about where I live for once!

Winit
10-12-2010, 21:07
Eh? LLU has nothing to do with FTTC.

BigMAC
10-12-2010, 17:58
Quote Originally Posted by HandsomeChap
In Sheffield/Rotherham/Doncaster the councils here have jointly invested in building its own FTTC network covering the entire county, every BT box has a new council box next to it, I get 40mb/10mb activated on the 9th January, sadly the cabinet -> house cabling is still over BT copper so I still have to cough up 11.50/month to them.
This has been going on for some time now, Its pretty common these day's.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Winit
09-12-2010, 23:14
Quote Originally Posted by HandsomeChap
In Sheffield/Rotherham/Doncaster the councils here have jointly invested in building its own FTTC network covering the entire county, every BT box has a new council box next to it, I get 40mb/10mb activated on the 9th January, sadly the cabinet -> house cabling is still over BT copper so I still have to cough up 11.50/month to them.
Very nice. Be sure to post a review including pictures and router used.

HandsomeChap
09-12-2010, 10:30
In Sheffield/Rotherham/Doncaster the councils here have jointly invested in building its own FTTC network covering the entire county, every BT box has a new council box next to it, I get 40mb/10mb activated on the 9th January, sadly the cabinet -> house cabling is still over BT copper so I still have to cough up 11.50/month to them.

Winit
06-12-2010, 21:21
Hardly future proof.

Stuck in the slow lane for another ten years.

YouWhat
06-12-2010, 18:05
Couldnt agree more... WOOHOOO, just got to wait n see what a **** up they gonna make of it though... none of them understand what is required or how it works, so they will be quoting off bits of paper and pretend to know what they talking about as usual... this could go disasterously wrong for us, or it could go very right for a change... I hope for the latter

BigMAC
06-12-2010, 14:36
WooHoo, Well it's about time the goverment got their finger out.

I thought we was in a "crisis"...

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/broadban...-for-broadband

Goverment seems to have the cash as and when it suits them from the looks of it