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are we allowed to avoid vat?


BigDook
13-01-2012, 04:48
Ah cool, thanks for the clarification.

Thelen
13-01-2012, 04:44
Quote Originally Posted by BigDook
So, let me get this straight. I live in Australia, can i now order a OVH or Kimsufi server from www.ovh.com?

Because previously i couldn't due to not being in the EU?
Yep. Previously you couldn't due to not being in any of their subsidies, ie .uk or .ie etc, but as of about 2 months ago OVH.com was accepting *anyone* outside of their other subsidies.

BigDook
12-01-2012, 07:10
Quote Originally Posted by marks
ovh.com accepts orders from the countries we don't have offices in. If those countries are outside the EU and are eligible for VAT removal, we'll do it.

There will be soon a version of the site in English, but the support is in French or English, as you prefer.

By the way, all the customers registered there will have to go through validation, so be ready to proide proof of address and ID.



So, let me get this straight. I live in Australia, can i now order a OVH or Kimsufi server from www.ovh.com?

Because previously i couldn't due to not being in the EU?

Winit
11-01-2012, 14:29
Quote Originally Posted by Thelen
Winit and I am/was pulsed media. Stop winging about things that neither concern you nor you understand.
no, you are not. you launched a weak attack because you did not have a leg to stand on.

Thelen
11-01-2012, 12:16
Yup fair enough. Hence my creation of the traffic thread

marks
11-01-2012, 11:09
[QUOTE=Thelen;40938]Ah cool, so the official position then is anyone can order, as long as they aren't in a country with an office? Awesome, makes life simpler!

You can have VAT removed if you're ordering from outside the EU, as usual with any business. Nothing new under the sun.

Quote Originally Posted by Thelen
Forgot to ask, can people on .es .uk etc have their vat removed as well, if they are vat exempt or no longer in that country?
as long as nichandle is a UK or ES nichandle, no. To modify that, you'll have to become a customer of ovh.com, so you have to contact them.

Thelen
11-01-2012, 04:05
Ah cool, so the official position then is anyone can order, as long as they aren't in a country with an office? Awesome, makes life simpler!

Forgot to ask, can people on .es .uk etc have their vat removed as well, if they are vat exempt or no longer in that country?

Winit and I am/was pulsed media. Stop winging about things that neither concern you nor you understand.

Winit
10-01-2012, 15:14
Quote Originally Posted by Thelen
I have nothing more to do with pulsedmedia, my business partner threw me out after a dispute of my performance, and is refusing to pay what he owes under the original contract. so i'll certainly never have anything to do with them in the future either.
you have nothing to do with them because you attacked several servers belonging to pulsed media (rm -rf)

marks
10-01-2012, 12:14
ovh.com accepts orders from the countries we don't have offices in. If those countries are outside the EU and are eligible for VAT removal, we'll do it.

There will be soon a version of the site in English, but the support is in French or English, as you prefer.

By the way, all the customers registered there will have to go through validation, so be ready to proide proof of address and ID.

Thelen
10-01-2012, 00:00
I know they aren't legit, 1 more reason why I dislike it. And why OVH really needs a proper reseller system (which there are rumours of).

I have nothing more to do with pulsedmedia, my business partner threw me out after a dispute of my performance, and is refusing to pay what he owes under the original contract. so i'll certainly never have anything to do with them in the future either.

RichardWnl
09-01-2012, 20:09
Quote Originally Posted by Thelen
They don't care, which is my point. If they don't care, then they don't mind me showing how to do it.

(actually they should care if people avoid VAT, but they'd never lose a case against them, they quite clearly do a lot to weed out fraud)

The only people upset about this seem to be people like you who make money from reselling OVH. I haven't resold an OVH server in over a year since combining with pulsedmedia.

Oh and I do have vat-free unmetered fr account, only 1 server on it currently, but by no means am I pissed off. And in fact even before I got the .fr account and made the other post about franceservers/seed.st abusing it, I wasn't pissed off, at best I was disappointed in people abusing bugs for their own gain with no consideration to what they could do to the company.

(seed.st have since said they just purchase extra bandwidth, not using .fr unmetered bugs, so probs to Ersan for being open about that..)

Heh something you just said reminded me of another bug I've forgotten to report.. thanks
Franceservers isn't even a legit company. In fact I saw his invoicing system which was at #44 (probably even lower) and on their website he stated he already sold over 100 servers.

I know PulsedMedia is a Registed Company charging VAT to their customers etc., so I understand your frustration.. but give it some time.. Franceservers will be out of business really soon with practices like these. And all his customers will be surprised why their server(s) went down, suckers.. you get what you pay for.

Thelen
09-01-2012, 07:20
They don't care, which is my point. If they don't care, then they don't mind me showing how to do it.

(actually they should care if people avoid VAT, but they'd never lose a case against them, they quite clearly do a lot to weed out fraud)

The only people upset about this seem to be people like you who make money from reselling OVH. I haven't resold an OVH server in over a year since combining with pulsedmedia.

Oh and I do have vat-free unmetered fr account, only 1 server on it currently, but by no means am I pissed off. And in fact even before I got the .fr account and made the other post about franceservers/seed.st abusing it, I wasn't pissed off, at best I was disappointed in people abusing bugs for their own gain with no consideration to what they could do to the company.

(seed.st have since said they just purchase extra bandwidth, not using .fr unmetered bugs, so probs to Ersan for being open about that..)

Heh something you just said reminded me of another bug I've forgotten to report.. thanks

3r1c
09-01-2012, 04:21
Thelen, OVH don't care if people avoid VAT, its not OVH that's losing money.
Actually it is in their interest to turn a blind eye to it if it sells more servers.
As to buying outside of the EU, well that again just makes OVH more money.
OVH are starting to allow all countries anyway, if some smart people found a way to do it sooner then so what.
Unless this method is being used to fraud ovh (ie. using stolen payments, getting free servers etc...) I dont see why they would care or do anything about it.

For those who are unaware, Thelen is a OVH reseller and he is pissed off that his competition can sell vat-free unmetered fr servers and he cant.

Thelen
08-01-2012, 09:24
I don't understand why you think it is tax evasion if I'm not an EU resident. I shouldn't be paying tax regardless of if the details are correct. The problem is, non-.fr shouldn't be able to make a .fr account. Or hell, an AU resident even a .ie account lol.

Anyway, my details are 100% correct to my australian address, and it matches the drivers licence I supplied.

And I'm not abusing it to get basically unlimited bandwidth, the servers I do have with .fr use next to no BW.

self-serving, sinister connotation
How does it serve me? I gain nothing from releasing it, in fact I might loose things. I'd agree it may have undertones of blackmail, but you should know many many many things never change until enough people know about it such that then it either vastly affects revenue, or public opinion.

One thing that has occurred to me though is that I should ask for VAT to be removed from my uk account since I'm not in the UK, although the address used to create it *is* in the UK, so I'm guessing they'll say no :/

RichardWnl
07-01-2012, 16:35
Quote Originally Posted by Myatu
With the amount of legal loopholes in taxation between different countries, it would be possible, of course. And that doesn't even include the recent favours by HMRC

But the "It will be released if OVH keeps ignoring my emails..." has a rather self-serving, sinister connotation. But we've seen that before, so...

There are much more leaks in OVH's system.. but that doesn't mean you should be making it available to the public. It's just a matter of time before OVH notices it and shuts them down.. but I know OVH a bit - that can take a while...

Like the SPLA key to activate Windows.. it used to be that if you entered just 0000-0000-0000-0000 (or any random combination) as license it still was being activated because it used OVH's license instead. It took them ages to resolve that problem.
Luckily they now have found a way to fix it...

But I can see where this is going.. Tax evasion = Fraud. You can be 99% sure that the details entered are fake. And for EU citizens it's even worse.. they can order servers without paying any VAT (if what he says is correct).

Myatu
07-01-2012, 16:08
With the amount of legal loopholes in taxation between different countries, it would be possible, of course. And that doesn't even include the recent favours by HMRC

But the "It will be released if OVH keeps ignoring my emails..." has a rather self-serving, sinister connotation. But we've seen that before, so...


RichardWnl
07-01-2012, 15:46
From what I understand he is abusing the system by entering fake details (if that's even possible to set VAT to 0%). Let me guess, another ''Company'' which isn't registered at the Companies House -> Tax evasion.. just great.

Thelen
06-01-2012, 00:24
It isn't avoiding VAT if you aren't in the EU.

Getting a .fr account outside of EU shouldn't be possible though, hence the problem.

I'm not abusing it, I'd be happy to post the NIC handles I have. 1 .uk 1 .fr

I know OVH can be suckfull at times when it comes to reading emails and so on, but seriously if they aren't going to do anything about it then perhaps they don't care?

I've already provided information from someone who has publicly posted in numerous places this is what he does, and how many servers he's done it for (hundreds, invoicing system suggests over 500, but that is over 4 months so probably only a couple hundred concurrently).

Winit
05-01-2012, 14:35


his forum account: http://forum.ovh.co.uk/member.php?u=3522

it shouldnt be too hard for you to trace his nic handles. he's probably already abusing the system.