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macole111
08-09-2013, 13:22
Quote Originally Posted by Myatu
I would find it a very disturbing development if they wouldn't let you renew FO IPs or RIPE IPs as usual if they were already assigned.
That is what I thought, but some of the stuff OVH are doing at the moment it wouldn't surprise me tbh. It doesn't help that it is a Google translate Frenglish from Oles who doesn't really get across what he means.

We'll have to see what people reply to with my thread: http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showthread.php?t=7327

0macole111

Myatu
08-09-2013, 13:00
Quote Originally Posted by macole111
I have an old 16G (2011) with two /30 (4 IPs I think) RIPEs + 3 normal failovers attached. I can't just stop those IPs with no warning, I guess I could if I really needed too move them to a new mSP but current delays etc. but + pro option makes it unaffordable at the moment. My Kimi was from when they couldn't get pro option.
IMO, OVH is contractually obliged to honour your existing IP orders as that is what the website showed you were entitled to at the time you ordered your server (and thus, part of the reason why you decided to order it). The exception is when you want to add more ("new resources"):

https://www.ovh.co.uk/support/termso..._Addresses.pdf

Article 2.
...
Each compatible service can be allocated a set number of additional IP addresses. The limits are defined and accessible on the OVH website.
...

Article 6.
...
OVH retains the right to refuse any application for new resources without needing to justify such refusal to the Customer.
...
I would find it a very disturbing development if they wouldn't let you renew FO IPs or RIPE IPs as usual if they were already assigned.

alex
06-09-2013, 20:51
Quote Originally Posted by rickyday
Exactly! Thanks for clearing that up Neil.

I don't think people have any idea what costs are involved when you are running a datacentre.
yes, but for some reason I can find cheaper, even I pay more for a server, for IP addresses I will get levelled or cheaper.

Quote Originally Posted by JakeMS
English

Quote:
> Obviously good you really can not wait
> 2-3 days we prepared the ads.
>
> I'm doing vrack
>
> We changed the price of IP 0.5E to 1.0e/mois. the
> Success of our offerings is the resumé of different
> Evolution of the market are now evolve
> Now to 2e/mois/IP. remaining at 0.5e/mois
> We saw that we started typing too fast
> In the stock of our IPv4.
>
> Today or Monday should prodder that the fidelity
> Related Anciente server that will reward by
> The number of IP FO that you have the right to take the unit
> (In / 32) = the number of months you paid the server. with the
> Max range by server:
> SP = 6
> EG = 12
> MG = 18
> HG = 24
>
> It also allows to "failover" between all
> DC whatever the service, but still.
> We can move a FO IP RBX SBG or GRA.
> But not between BHS and EU or U.S. and BHS. RIPE and ARIN
> Prohibited.
>
> It will increase the number of / 32 we will have to
> Router in the internal network. And we need gere
> Now this better. so we will prohibit the split
> Of block / 32. It was a functionality that we
> Replaces an ad BGP BGP announcements and X if
> Does nothing we will have to change all the routers
> In 1 year.
>
> For the same reasons, the minimum block will become / 27
> With 30 IP 32euro/mois. Smaller blocks are
> Removed. If you want to use a block / 24 and use
> A / 32 on a server and a / 32 on the same block
> Another server, you will be able to do with vrack 1.5:
> Route a / 24 on the vrack (by the way can activate
> A firewall) then the magic will do the rest of the vlan level
> L2 and L3 not.
>
> IP FO will go under the use PRO. thus by
> Default servers have the server IP and if you
> IP want more, it will go in utiisation PRO.
>
> I put it in shape for Monday.
in proper English, please? I don't understand robots or Google translate.

macole111
06-09-2013, 20:06
I have an old 16G (2011) with two /30 (4 IPs I think) RIPEs + 3 normal failovers attached. I can't just stop those IPs with no warning, I guess I could if I really needed too move them to a new mSP but current delays etc. but + pro option makes it unaffordable at the moment. My Kimi was from when they couldn't get pro option.

Really these new polices shouldn't affect current IPs, OVH should be focusing on reducing new IPv4 addresses and encouraging IPv6 but for now current ones need to stay. Also I think that any IPs we already have are allowed to move from server to server without them needed professional option, I mean they are supposed to be failover!

And no a message on the mailing list really must not be the only way of letting us know of important changes!

-macole111

LawsHosting
06-09-2013, 19:42
Quote Originally Posted by macole111
What about old Kimisufis with IP blocks, you can't remove IP addresses from existing servers!
Same, although all mine are /28s and /29s, so should be fine, right?

It's the FOs that needing Pro usage that's pissed me off... Only got Pro on 1 Kimi, and the other Kimi uses 3 FOs for SSL and Geo purposes.

macole111
06-09-2013, 19:28
What about old Kimisufis with IP blocks, you can't remove IP addresses from existing servers!

This is worrying me now...

-macole111

szisti
06-09-2013, 18:59
within a week they changing my £33 server to £50
this sounds like great fun

ps: vRack only for larger servers (no SP)

Vmlweb
06-09-2013, 18:16
> Another server, you will be able to do with vrack 1.5:
> Route a / 24 on the vrack (by the way can activate
> A firewall) then the magic will do the rest of the vlan level
> L2 and L3 not.

So I'm looking at this part and I'm wondering if I understand it correctly.

Will we be able to assign an IP block to a VRACK then use the API to route certain IPs to certain servers?

Is this how it works?

LawsHosting
06-09-2013, 18:06
So, what if we have and use FO without Pro? We need to use Pro?

And have a few /8 or /16 blocks that are in use?


Sorry Octave, but youre becoming a PITA

Mark1978
06-09-2013, 15:59
Perhaps we should get these sorts of things to this forum or sent to us rather to some random mailing list?

JakeMS
06-09-2013, 15:28
English

> Obviously good you really can not wait
> 2-3 days we prepared the ads.
>
> I'm doing vrack
>
> We changed the price of IP 0.5E to 1.0e/mois. the
> Success of our offerings is the resumé of different
> Evolution of the market are now evolve
> Now to 2e/mois/IP. remaining at 0.5e/mois
> We saw that we started typing too fast
> In the stock of our IPv4.
>
> Today or Monday should prodder that the fidelity
> Related Anciente server that will reward by
> The number of IP FO that you have the right to take the unit
> (In / 32) = the number of months you paid the server. with the
> Max range by server:
> SP = 6
> EG = 12
> MG = 18
> HG = 24
>
> It also allows to "failover" between all
> DC whatever the service, but still.
> We can move a FO IP RBX SBG or GRA.
> But not between BHS and EU or U.S. and BHS. RIPE and ARIN
> Prohibited.
>
> It will increase the number of / 32 we will have to
> Router in the internal network. And we need gere
> Now this better. so we will prohibit the split
> Of block / 32. It was a functionality that we
> Replaces an ad BGP BGP announcements and X if
> Does nothing we will have to change all the routers
> In 1 year.
>
> For the same reasons, the minimum block will become / 27
> With 30 IP 32euro/mois. Smaller blocks are
> Removed. If you want to use a block / 24 and use
> A / 32 on a server and a / 32 on the same block
> Another server, you will be able to do with vrack 1.5:
> Route a / 24 on the vrack (by the way can activate
> A firewall) then the magic will do the rest of the vlan level
> L2 and L3 not.
>
> IP FO will go under the use PRO. thus by
> Default servers have the server IP and if you
> IP want more, it will go in utiisation PRO.
>
> I put it in shape for Monday.

geoffreyc
06-09-2013, 14:13
It's in french and don't have time to translate, but here it is:
Le 06/09/2013 11:42, oles@ovh.net a écrit :
> bon visiblement vous ne pouvez vraiment pas attendre
> 2-3 jours qu'on prepare les annonces.
>
> je fais en vrack
>
> on a changé le prix de l'IP de 0.5e à 1.0e/mois. le
> succes de nos offres est le resumé de differentes
> evolution du marché qui sont en train d'evoluer
> actuellement vers 2e/mois/IP. en restant à 0.5e/mois
> on a vu qu'on a commencé à taper trop rapidement
> dans le stock de nos IPv4.
>
> aujourd'hui ou lundi on devrait prodder ça la fidelité
> liés à l'ancienté du serveur qu'on va recompenser par
> le nombre des IP FO que tu as droit de prendre à l'unité
> (en /32) = le nombre de mois que tu as payé le serveur. avec le
> max par gamme de serveurs:
> SP = 6
> EG = 12
> MG = 18
> HG = 24
>
> On autorise aussi à faire "failover" entre tous les
> DC quelque soit le service, mais par continuant.
> On peut donc bouger une IP FO de RBX à SBG ou GRA.
> mais pas entre BHS et EU ni EU et BHS. RIPE et ARIN
> l'interdit.
>
> Ca va augmenter le nombre des /32 que nous aurons à
> router dans le reseau interne. Et il faut qu'on gere
> ceci maintenant mieux. on va donc interdir le split
> de bloc en /32. C'était une fonctionalité qui nous
> remplace une annonce BGP en X annonces BGP et si on
> ne fait rien on va devoir changer tous les routeurs
> dans 1an.
>
> Pour les mêmes raisons, le bloc minimum va devenir /27
> avec 30 IP à 32euro/mois. Les blocs plus petits seront
> retirées. Si vous voulez utiliser un bloc /24 et utiliser
> une /32 sur un serveur et une /32 du même bloc sur un
> autre serveur, vous allez pouvoir le faire avec le vrack 1.5:
> router une /24 sur le vrack (au passage possibilité d'activer
> un firewall) puis la magie du vlan fera le reste au niveau
> L2 et pas L3.
>
> les IP FO vont passer sous l'utilisation PRO. donc par
> défaut les serveurs auront l'IP de serveur puis si vous
> voulez des IP en plus, il faudra passer en utiisation PRO.
>
> je mettrai ça en forme pour lundi.

raxxeh
06-09-2013, 13:55
Quote Originally Posted by geoffreyc
Oles just announced some really bad news on the mailing list. In short, soon the smaller RIPE blocks will be removed, and failover IPS will be limited to pro-activated servers ....
Could you paste this? I don't use the mailing list

geoffreyc
06-09-2013, 13:34
Oles just announced some really bad news on the mailing list. In short, soon the smaller RIPE blocks will be removed, and failover IPS will be limited to pro-activated servers ....

rickyday
06-09-2013, 13:12
Quote Originally Posted by cascada
Do I remember it wrong, that IPv4 cost about 0.5€? Because now I see it's 1€.
No you don't remember wrong, OVH have changed their minds.....

There was a reduction mentioned in a thread by Oles, but seems they can no longer afford to do what they wanted to do unfortunately.

cascada
06-09-2013, 12:38
Do I remember it wrong, that IPv4 cost about 0.5€? Because now I see it's 1€.

Thelen
04-09-2013, 11:15
Quote Originally Posted by village_i_diot
I accept the fact the running costs are more in Canada but I can't see why the mSP is £17 (about 50%) higher in Canada while the mSP-SSD and mSP-B estOf are just £5 higher (10%).
It would be their bandwidth cost calculations. It does make sense.

village_i_diot
03-09-2013, 19:21
Quote Originally Posted by alex
Does anyone noticed the prices for Canada is different?

Example: http://www.ovh.co.uk/dedicated_servers/mini-sp-ssd.xml




WTF?
I accept the fact the running costs are more in Canada but I can't see why the mSP is £17 (about 50%) higher in Canada while the mSP-SSD and mSP-B estOf are just £5 higher (10%).

pcoventry
03-09-2013, 18:56
Shame you can't just charge the Canadian server renters then

But there you go.

theatheist
03-09-2013, 16:43
Just to clarify, In my reply I was referring to price increase of EU servers not CA. All servers past and present have had price increase of £1.

rickyday
03-09-2013, 16:08
Quote Originally Posted by Neil
The cost is higher because of the higher costs of operating the datacentre in Canada.
Exactly! Thanks for clearing that up Neil.

I don't think people have any idea what costs are involved when you are running a datacentre.

Tz-OVH
03-09-2013, 11:45
It was already raised a day ago on the UK site, it wasn't reflecting properly is all. I think its now announced too:

http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showthread.php?t=7265

theatheist
03-09-2013, 11:35
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet but I can confirm that all server prices (even older orders) have now increased. Just noticed them on renewal page.

Tz-OVH
03-09-2013, 10:11
Quote Originally Posted by alex
why to pay more for the same server? no benefits.
You don't have much choice if you're from North America (and other countries) as you have to use that site.

It's the same reason a can of Pepsi doesn't cost the same everywhere on planet earth

Neil
03-09-2013, 09:54
Quote Originally Posted by alex
why to pay more for the same server? no benefits.
The cost is higher because of the higher costs of operating the datacentre in Canada.

alex
03-09-2013, 09:26
Quote Originally Posted by Tz-OVH
You can't expect identical prices for an entirely different data centre. Perhaps once OVH reaches a certain balance of cost against it's earnings there, they will be able to synchronize the server prices to be identical excluding VAT>
why to pay more for the same server? no benefits.

Tz-OVH
03-09-2013, 08:41
Quote Originally Posted by alex
Does anyone noticed the prices for Canada is different?

Example: http://www.ovh.co.uk/dedicated_servers/mini-sp-ssd.xml

WTF?
You can't expect identical prices for an entirely different data centre. Perhaps once OVH reaches a certain balance of cost against it's earnings there, they will be able to synchronize the server prices to be identical excluding VAT>

alex
03-09-2013, 01:21
Does anyone noticed the prices for Canada is different?

Example: http://www.ovh.co.uk/dedicated_servers/mini-sp-ssd.xml
France
£50.84 excl. VAT
( £61.01 VAT inc)
USA/Canada
£55.84 excl. VAT
( £67.01 VAT inc)
WTF?

LawsHosting
03-09-2013, 00:39
Quote Originally Posted by JakeMS
Instead of changing from £15 to £30 it went to £25.50 instead hmm.
I do hope this doesn't include very old Kimsufi's, I'd be pissed if they are.

JakeMS
02-09-2013, 23:04
Quote Originally Posted by Trapper
You forgot to add:

***** The only opinion that matters is mine *****
Nice catch! Thanks

Quote Originally Posted by orion
So to get the facts straight if we already bought the server before the 1st of September do we still have to pay the new price if we have the server already ?.
Correcto!

Except mine is kind of broken :-/ Instead of changing from £15 to £30 it went to £25.50 instead hmm.

But none the less bill went up from x03 to x19 including VAT :-).

Trapper
02-09-2013, 22:28
Quote Originally Posted by JakeMS
* Subject to availability of information, if information is missing I reserve the right to be correct** still
** I am not responsible for any information given in this post or whether it be correct, or incorrect***.
*** I'm never wrong and am always correct****
**** Correct or incorrect is a matter of opinion.
You forgot to add:

***** The only opinion that matters is mine *****

pcoventry
02-09-2013, 22:17
Quote Originally Posted by orion
So to get the facts straight if we already bought the server before the 1st of September do we still have to pay the new price if we have the server already ?.
I would say so.. I've just had mine delivered that I bought last week (28th) at last weeks price. I expect the next one would be at the higher price.

LawsHosting
02-09-2013, 21:04
Quote Originally Posted by JakeMS
Just for some of the ranges then...

What a way to recoup the losses on KS2 sales, neat!

orion
02-09-2013, 19:33
So to get the facts straight if we already bought the server before the 1st of September do we still have to pay the new price if we have the server already ?.

JakeMS
02-09-2013, 19:11
Quote Originally Posted by LawsHosting
What, where?
See here for more information*:

https://www.ovh.co.uk/dedicated_servers/eg_64g.xml#pro

* Subject to availability of information, if information is missing I reserve the right to be correct** still
** I am not responsible for any information given in this post or whether it be correct, or incorrect***.
*** I'm never wrong and am always correct****
**** Correct or incorrect is a matter of opinion.
***** The only opinion that matters is mine *****

Myatu
02-09-2013, 18:18
Quote Originally Posted by SuperCity
Fixed your last line
My reply? "I will gladly pay*"


*Subject to available funds.

SuperCity
02-09-2013, 17:53
Quote Originally Posted by Jasgriff
**** I may have to charge £20 for any wrong answers submitted dependent on guidelines not yet thought of or published.
**** may have to charge £20 (excl. VAT) (£23.40 VAT inc) for any wrong answers submitted dependent on guidelines not yet thought of or published.


Fixed your last line

LawsHosting
02-09-2013, 16:24
Quote Originally Posted by Mark1978
The doubling of the pro-usage price is not.
What, where?

Mark1978
02-09-2013, 15:15
A couple of quid increase in the price is ok. The doubling of the pro-usage price is not.

pcoventry
29-08-2013, 16:41
Quote Originally Posted by LawsHosting

Nor Twitter.
LOL twa tter, farcebook Fleabay and Scumtree are the 4 I avoid

pcoventry
29-08-2013, 16:39
Quote Originally Posted by HostRange
I thought Oles twitter notification was enough... Forum is a bonus
We don't all use twitter...

anyway what's the problem? so you pay £1 more. It's still great value especially on something like a 2G

RikT
29-08-2013, 16:01
Quote Originally Posted by vladinc
like they are forcing me to use a product I dont want to use and to pay for a product I dont want to pay for..
Damn, they are brilliant to think of ways to get more money from you , but can't think of a way to communicate properly with their customers..
How that happens
like its a whole bunch more money for protection stop crying and move on

vladinc
29-08-2013, 15:43
like they are forcing me to use a product I dont want to use and to pay for a product I dont want to pay for..
Damn, they are brilliant to think of ways to get more money from you , but can't think of a way to communicate properly with their customers..
How that happens

rickyday
29-08-2013, 13:38
Quote Originally Posted by vladinc
hm.. what about if I dont want DDOS protection ..
You move to another company as DDOS protection is mandatory.

Not having a go, just stating what your options are

Tz-OVH
29-08-2013, 12:23
Its mandatory it seems.

vladinc
29-08-2013, 11:52
hm.. what about if I dont want DDOS protection ..

alex
29-08-2013, 00:42
Quote Originally Posted by LawsHosting
Most of us still have the old Kimsufi's, so yes, I can see this as a benefit on those ones, but, like you say, not on newer ones.
I returned one of 2 years old Kimsufi's, the network card is failed on it, managed to move the data - around 1.5TB and after that network card was randomly offline every day several times.

LawsHosting
29-08-2013, 00:03
Quote Originally Posted by Jasgriff
I am not sure why you would pay the same for servers that are supposed to be used as testing only though?
Most of us still have the old Kimsufi's, so yes, I can see this as a benefit on those ones, but, like you say, not on newer ones.

Plus, I think the protection is compulsory?

LinuxGam
28-08-2013, 22:47
I agree. The cost is not an issue at all. I am happy with that, but there is such poor DIRECT communication. I am not so happy with the pro charge £15 to get more IP's when I am running a fairly small scale setup that is not reselling any IP's to anyone :-( I would be happy with 1 or 2 more IP's and be happy with the IP charge. But £15 is a huge chunk of monthly mSP cost.

Jasgriff
28-08-2013, 21:45
I am not sure why you would pay the same for servers that are supposed to be used as testing only though? they possibly have less risk yet they are charged 25% more for insurance?

alex
28-08-2013, 21:24
for extra £1 or £2 get protected, yes please! no problem. No email from OVH (checked the SPAM folder)

macole111
28-08-2013, 21:11
It's not so much the price increase - for the service it is cheap, but if I wasn't on here I wouldn't know, that is what makes me angry. Is OVH trying to lose customers at the moment? Survival of the fittest?!

-macole111

LinuxGam
28-08-2013, 20:56
Quote Originally Posted by Jasgriff
LOL,

Competition time!

If anyone can find anywhere on the OVH UK site that there will be a price increase for new and existing customers in 4 days time, then I will **send them a half complete *OVH Rubix cube!

No premium rate numbers no silly obvious questions. Think of it as a treasure hunt

* I only have one so if I am proven wrong then first come first served.

** Item will be delivered with in 1 day to ***2 months.

*** Time quoted is an ETA. It could be much longer.

**** I may have to charge £20 for any wrong answers submitted dependent on guidelines not yet thought of or published.
:-)

LawsHosting
28-08-2013, 20:52
Quote Originally Posted by HostRange
I thought Oles twitter notification was enough... Forum is a bonus
Not everyone uses the forum. I never until a year after I joined OVH.

Nor Twitter.

macole111
28-08-2013, 20:35
Good idea! Let's start looking!

-macole111

Jasgriff
28-08-2013, 20:16
Quote Originally Posted by HostRange
I thought Oles twitter notification was enough... Forum is a bonus
LOL,

Competition time!

If anyone can find anywhere on the OVH UK site that there will be a price increase for new and existing customers in 4 days time, then I will **send them a half complete *OVH Rubix cube!

No premium rate numbers no silly obvious questions. Think of it as a treasure hunt

* I only have one so if I am proven wrong then first come first served.

** Item will be delivered with in 1 day to ***2 months.

*** Time quoted is an ETA. It could be much longer.

**** I may have to charge £20 for any wrong answers submitted dependent on guidelines not yet thought of or published.

HostRange
28-08-2013, 20:01
Quote Originally Posted by macole111
It should be emailed however, when will OVH learn that a forum post is not an acceptable notification.

-macole111
I thought Oles twitter notification was enough... Forum is a bonus

macole111
28-08-2013, 19:36
It should be emailed however, when will OVH learn that a forum post is not an acceptable notification.

-macole111

theatheist
28-08-2013, 19:31
Did you even try and use search button?

This was already posted 2 months ago
http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showthread.php?t=6661

richdotward
28-08-2013, 19:13
Just found this on another forum.

Is it true? Not saw anything posted here and certainly not had any emails.

Rich


- Sharing the costs of the VAC and the teams with all existing and future customers that we have on our infrastructure - this is the solution that we have chosen. In this scenario we're talking about a mandatory option for all existing dedicated servers, VPS and dedicated clouds. Since there are so many customers, the service price increase is very low as a result:
- VPS: +£0.50/month
- KS: +£1/month
- SP: +£1/month
- EG: +£2/month
- MG: +£2/month
- HG: +£3/month
- Dedicated Cloud: +£5/month
- Colocation (France only): +€10/month

This price increase for all existing and future servers will allow us to continue to invest and improve the infrastructure so that we can handle new attacks.

Prices will increase from September 1st 2013 for all existing servers. However, if you sign up for a whole year, then DDoS protection is included, so the service price does not change.