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5/8 - ds-2014: SYS


rickyday
30-10-2013, 17:18
Quote Originally Posted by alex
I still own the KS servers and they better than 2 of new mSP
Care to elaborate why?

I own a mSP and its pretty darn good, I am extremely happy with it.

Kode
30-10-2013, 09:07
Quote Originally Posted by Trapper
Agreed. I suppose I think of small sites as ones which need SSL (therefore extra IP's), rather than the hundreds of micro sites which could run under a single IP (like those suitable for shared servers).

~Trap
Fair enough, if a site needs SSL then it's probably going to be a bit more intensive, my site requires 2 x mSP equivalent servers and while I have an SSL I'm not currently using it (will be in the future, just haven't had time to finish the new site).

Also with SNI it's possible to have multiple sites with SSL on a single IP, though I have not tried setting it up myself, so not sure how well it works.

Trapper
30-10-2013, 00:05
Quote Originally Posted by Kode
32GB could run hundreds of small sites, never mind a dozen, a lot of shared servers have much less than 32GB of ram
Agreed. I suppose I think of small sites as ones which need SSL (therefore extra IP's), rather than the hundreds of micro sites which could run under a single IP (like those suitable for shared servers).

~Trap

alex
29-10-2013, 22:37
I still owe the KS servers and they better than 2 of new mSP, no really overloaded, the my customers using it for very small websites without any hassle.

Daraiko
29-10-2013, 21:12
I will never have a server without Proxmox again!
So i really hope that there will always be 3+ IPs availiable
Makes it easy to test, upgrade, and play around, always with an easy to use bakup/restore function

LOVE IT!
So please give us lot's of IPs (if needed and paying a small price pr. IP is just fine)

Kode
29-10-2013, 18:42
Quote Originally Posted by Trapper
...We are talking about the bottom end here. I think that 32 GB could run about a dozen small sites, each with SSL (IPv4).

Interesting, but as always, it seems to be wait and (wait and wait and wait and wait and) see...

~Trap
32GB could run hundreds of small sites, never mind a dozen, a lot of shared servers have much less than 32GB of ram

Trapper
29-10-2013, 17:01
Quote Originally Posted by elcct
That depends on the project. I have seen websites using ie 64GB of RAM and just 1 IP was enough.
...We are talking about the bottom end here. I think that 32 GB could run about a dozen small sites, each with SSL (IPv4).

Interesting, but as always, it seems to be wait and (wait and wait and wait and wait and) see...

~Trap

TheBritoid
29-10-2013, 16:54
In addition, the SYS will have its own manager but no API. The servers will thus be exclusively in this manager and not on the OVH manager at all (same thing with the KS). The purpose is therefore to create a a brand that is truly independent of OVH to provide a type of dedicated server with the basics but no extras, and support included.
So does this mean we will have to have another login to manager another set of OVH's servers?

And that we can't use the OVH App, what happened to putting everything in one place?

elcct
29-10-2013, 14:27
Quote Originally Posted by macole111
What about RIPE blocks? 3 IPs isn't enough for 32GB RAM.
That depends on the project. I have seen websites using ie 64GB of RAM and just 1 IP was enough.

TheGeekster
29-10-2013, 13:39
Quote Originally Posted by macole111
What about RIPE blocks? 3 IPs isn't enough for 32GB RAM. How about existing IPs? Will they be able to move to these new servers?

Just release them, if your not going to answer all the questions... every day OVH is like this, OVH looks like a riskier and riskier bet.

-macole111
I'd have to say, i'm actually interested in this, it's kinda the reason I'm always sticking with OVH, I don't need software support, just fix a hard drive if it breaks. 3 IP's are just about enough I'd find, as you can set up software routers with port forwarding if you wish to host a variety of servers. Plus I dare say the professional use option might be available adding more IP ranges.

Plus I think existing IP addresses should be able to change over providing they are failover, same system just changing the options people have.

macole111
29-10-2013, 13:09
What about RIPE blocks? 3 IPs isn't enough for 32GB RAM. How about existing IPs? Will they be able to move to these new servers?

Just release them, if your not going to answer all the questions... every day OVH is like this, OVH looks like a riskier and riskier bet.

-macole111

NatdaS
29-10-2013, 12:56
Please also read:

http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showthread.php?t=7585
http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showthread.php?t=7587
http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showthread.php?t=7583
http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showthread.php?t=7582

Dear Customer,

So far, we have pre-announced the 3 ranges of servers that will be found on the OVH website: "Enterprise", "Hosting" and "Infrastructure". These are the most common uses and these servers are pre-packaged, with good options to make the prices are as interesting as possible.

With the mSP server at €40/month, we've realised that there's also a market for very powerful, affordable servers, and not necessarily with options. In fact, 80% of customers that ordered the mSP from us at €40/month did not take any option. Even not an IP Failover. Nothing. Nada.

So we asked ourselves the question: why are these customers ready to pay €40/month for a server, without needing anything more than the server? After many many many phone calls, discussions and analyses, we saw that 50% of them has abandoned their KS to take a more expensive server than what they had been paying until now!! Sometimes 2 x more expensive than before. If we ask them why, they answer that the mSP is more serious than the KS for professional business purposes. And when we look more closely, we see that these customers cobbled things together on their KS, and then they decided:

"I want to try and launch my business."
meaning
"I want to work for myself, but I can't stop working. It can't cost me too much to try."

These €40/month customers don't need every option possible on their server. What they want is an excellent server with plenty of cores/thread, plenty of RAM, large disks, and hardware support with an SLA, because they have the idea of starting up in business professionally, and they need a "trustworthy" server to support themselves. They are also true geeks, who adore super powerful kit at affordable prices. And they don't need technical support to find out how to compile a kernel or how to update Apache.

They want the basics. Not the extras.

But they can't/don't want take servers from the OVH website yet, because they don't really know what they need in terms of a pack. They start up as pros! And it's their customers that willl actually determine their requirements. And then OVH prices can be a bit too costly for start-ups, and these customers don't want a KS because it isn't adequate enough for professional use. It's more for playing around with or testing, but as soon as business purposes come into it, something more robust is required. A nice piece of hardware that's robust. Hardware support with a reliable SLA. The KS is basically "not expensive enough" to be a start-up server.

Philosophy
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As a result, we have worked on the "Essential Servers". Powerful, affordable servers with all the essential features. Servers that have the basic without any unnecessary extras. The server is powered by a latest generation CPU, up to 8 cores and 32 GB RAM. We include 3 IPs by default and a 1 Gbps network. The customer can thus use it for virtualisation. We also include backup to avoid data loss.

In terms of virtualisation, the customer can use the IPs included as they can reroute the main IP ports to the virtual machines. We are faced with geek customers that know how to exploit all the hardware power using all kinds of technical tricks. A great start-up server, or an excellent server for essential things. We're being direct with the "Essential Servers".

Offer
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To begin with, in terms of price we're running at < €50/month. We're talking about very powerful servers with lots of RAM. The vote will tell us exactly what you prefer from these 8 models. We only want to offer you 2 offers,
and so it will be difficult to choose the servers that meet as many of your requirements as possible. The server comes with all options included and there's no extra to pay.

Edit:
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In terms of support, it will, of course, be independent of the OVH website.
The purpose of the support is to deal with hardware incidents, and only hardware incidents. A phone n to repair the hardware if it's broken, with 24/7 follow-up of tickets.

In addition, the SYS will have its own manager but no API. The servers will thus be exclusively in this manager and not on the OVH manager at all (same thing with the KS). The purpose is therefore to create a a brand that is truly independent of OVH to provide a type of dedicated server with the basics but no extras, and support included.

The servers will be available in Europe and Canada.
"

"Essential Server" is a code name. The new website is being built and the servers will be called SYS. SYS is an abbreviation of the name of the new brand, which we will create in response to this new market, located between the Kimsufi.co.uk and Ovh.co.uk websites.

So we will manage Kimsufi.co.uk S........Y.........S.......co.uk and Ovh.co.uk as well as brokers and gamers.

The scene is starting to look interesting...

Best wishes,

Octave