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mSP VS EX40


Kode
07-11-2013, 13:29
yeah, if we end up moving we'll probably order the 2 servers a month before the renewal date comes up so we have a month to make a proper decision.

The other thing is, currently 2 x mSP would be ideal, they cost 475.06 each so 950.12, which would be ideal as it's better than the servers we have now (1 x e3-1225v2 - 16GB - 100Mbit/s and 1 x e3-1245v2 - 32GB - 200Mbit/s) with more bandwidth and ~ 580 cheaper, however, there is no guarantee after the reshuffle those servers will still exist at those prices, and both Hetzner and online.net have offerings that work out to be 100 - 200 more than the mSPs which is still significantly cheaper than what we are paying now plus they are actual servers you can buy.

FrenchTart
07-11-2013, 13:09
To be fair, the higher ping wasn't really an issue for most things. It did make a bit of a difference in a few legacy game servers I ran (and also with voip) but it was only the anal part of me that hated the fact that my 'upgrade' resulted in a higher ping that was disappointed. It sounds like the small increase in ping won't really be a problem for you from what you've said anyhow?

I'd agree with the above that Hetzner support is better than OVH. Quicker response times and support staff that are actually in the know about what on earth is going on at their company. This isn't a failing of the support staff themselves - it's unfortunately how things are done at OVH and Oles doesn't seem to want to change his awful management style any time soon.

From what you've said of your situation it seems to me that Hetzner really is the only option (or online.net - I haven't used them so I'm still talking from a Hetzner vs OVH perspective). In two months servers *may* be available at OVH but I presume you would prefer more crossover time to test the new setup? I wouldn't want the uncertainty personally.

Kode
07-11-2013, 12:15
In fairness, even at ~ double OVHs ping it's still pretty good

C:\Users\Chris>ping hetzner.de

Pinging hetzner.de [213.133.107.227] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 213.133.107.227: bytes=32 time=23ms TTL=53
Reply from 213.133.107.227: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=53
Reply from 213.133.107.227: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=53
Reply from 213.133.107.227: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=53

Ping statistics for 213.133.107.227:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 23ms, Maximum = 30ms, Average = 25ms


C:\Users\Chris>ping api.fanart.tv

Pinging api.fanart.tv [94.23.213.173] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 94.23.213.173: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=55
Reply from 94.23.213.173: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=55
Reply from 94.23.213.173: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=55
Reply from 94.23.213.173: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=55

Ping statistics for 94.23.213.173:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 14ms, Maximum = 17ms, Average = 15ms

*Edit*
online.net seem to be about the same as Hetzner

C:\Users\Chris>ping online.net

Pinging online.net [88.190.254.2] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 88.190.254.2: bytes=32 time=23ms TTL=51
Reply from 88.190.254.2: bytes=32 time=22ms TTL=51
Reply from 88.190.254.2: bytes=32 time=22ms TTL=51
Reply from 88.190.254.2: bytes=32 time=29ms TTL=51

Ping statistics for 88.190.254.2:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 22ms, Maximum = 29ms, Average = 24ms

wii89
07-11-2013, 11:23
Hetzner support is 10000% better then OVH, I am currently moving all my main servers from OVH to Hetzner due to OVH's current customer service, response of message/telephone calls and selling no servers!!

Kode
07-11-2013, 10:46
Quote Originally Posted by TheGeekster
I tried ordering a small server from Hetzner, and to be honest, I've been spoilt by OVH. Hetzner are far more restrictive from what operating systems can be installed (from my experience anyway).

As for the bandwidth, gotta ask yourself, are you really likely to use 200mbps/300mbps fully for more than an hour or two a day?
They offer Debian, which is what I'm using now, so no issues there.

The API currently gets about 55million hits a month which is rising by about 2-6million a month, so while we probably wont use 200/300Mbit/s very often, it's nice to have the ability (the current API server is restricted to 100Mbit/s even though it's an OVH server not a kimsufi and has hit that limit a few times) though its average is currently around 20 - 30Mbit/s

Thelen
07-11-2013, 10:35
You know that you can install any OS you want once you've got access to rescue right? Sure its a little more difficult, but you can even install windows..

TheGeekster
07-11-2013, 01:56
Quote Originally Posted by Kode
Hmm, interesting thanks for that FrenchTart, a much higher ping would be of concern to me, online.net look like they have some interesting options as well http://www.online.net/en/dedicated-s...overview-start the MD 2014 is about 10-12 more expensive than an mSP, but the 1230v3 scores higher on cpubenchmark than the 1245, and it has a Premium 300 Mbit/s guaranteed bandwidth vs OVHs 200Mbit/s plus up to 5 failover IPs, and in any case for 2 of them for 1 year would be around 1250 which is still cheaper than the 1540 I'm currently paying for 1 x 1245v2 - 32Gb - 200Mbit/s + 1 x 1225v2 - 16GB - 100Mbit/s
However it's unclear on the online.net page if VAT will need to be added on, and I don't know what the ping will be like, and there doesnt appear to be an email address anywhere to contact them, but I have 2 months to figure it out.
I tried ordering a small server from Hetzner, and to be honest, I've been spoilt by OVH. Hetzner are far more restrictive from what operating systems can be installed (from my experience anyway).

As for the bandwidth, gotta ask yourself, are you really likely to use 200mbps/300mbps fully for more than an hour or two a day?

Kode
07-11-2013, 00:55
Hmm, interesting thanks for that FrenchTart, a much higher ping would be of concern to me, online.net look like they have some interesting options as well http://www.online.net/en/dedicated-s...overview-start the MD 2014 is about 10-12 more expensive than an mSP, but the 1230v3 scores higher on cpubenchmark than the 1245, and it has a Premium 300 Mbit/s guaranteed bandwidth vs OVHs 200Mbit/s plus up to 5 failover IPs, and in any case for 2 of them for 1 year would be around 1250 which is still cheaper than the 1540 I'm currently paying for 1 x 1245v2 - 32Gb - 200Mbit/s + 1 x 1225v2 - 16GB - 100Mbit/s
However it's unclear on the online.net page if VAT will need to be added on, and I don't know what the ping will be like, and there doesnt appear to be an email address anywhere to contact them, but I have 2 months to figure it out.

FrenchTart
07-11-2013, 00:13
Quote Originally Posted by Kode
Not really, that 49 euro includes VAT which is about 42, true there's also a 49 euro setup fee but that's for a server thats actually a real item, rather than a server that probably won't exist after the re-organisation, it's very easy to have great prices for servers when you don't have to sell any of them.
If you want a server you can get now then the hetzner one is a no-brainer.

I was with ovh for a number of years before I moved to hetzner...then one year later I moved back again.

The reason for my moving to hetzner was that the price was better. Once I got there I found out that the ping times to the UK were considerably worse. I expected some difference but not in the region of double (or triple in some cases) the ping. That combined with ovh's new offers made me come back. I put up with the delay in provisioning as ovh lied through their teeth about how quickly the orders would be turned around and to be honest the price was very hard to walk away from.

If you can live with paying a little more and the ping difference doesn't bother you that much then I strongly suggest going for the hetzner server. If you don't mind waiting anything from 6 minutes to 6 months for your server, wait it out for the ovh one.

Kode
05-11-2013, 21:59
Not really, that 49 euro includes VAT which is about 42, true there's also a 49 euro setup fee but that's for a server thats actually a real item, rather than a server that probably won't exist after the re-organisation, it's very easy to have great prices for servers when you don't have to sell any of them.

Tz-OVH
05-11-2013, 21:46
Do you mean purely on CPU? http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-E...l-Core-i7-4770

The Core i7 seems to be marginally better. But price wise, you seem to be paying more at Hetzner for the similarly spec'd server (considering VAT).

Kode
05-11-2013, 16:47
How does the 1245v2 stack up against an i7 4770? http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/pro...ootserver/ex40 My 2 servers are up for their yearly renewal dec/jan and with the current pissing about I doubt I'm going to be able to replace them with mSP's or get their price reduced, so thinking about moving away and that seems ideal