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sys servers potential bottlenecks with OS


RikT
06-02-2014, 22:04
Quote Originally Posted by NeddySeagoon
Yes, it dates back to the battle of Agincourt, where the French came second.
They have never forgiven the English
Even after all the bail outs we have given them!!

NeddySeagoon
06-02-2014, 18:50
Quote Originally Posted by avizeke
... apparently the French love shafting the English ...
Yes, it dates back to the battle of Agincourt, where the French came second.
They have never forgiven the English

avizeke
06-02-2014, 05:10
thanks neil

i now need to see what 2012 is like compared to 2008 and i also have to wait for SYS to upgrade there panel to allow raid options upon install.

The raid question. yes. delegating tasks over two disks is much more suitable.

alex, there may be a unnofical way to support more than 48 gb ram other than VM. either way its not suppose to support it, and i unfortunately am going to have to live with that.

What the hell is happening with kimsufi in the US ? ETA ?
What the hell is the ETA on a resellers website for companies registered with OVH. ?

and as a tip guys, if you buy off the US website of SYS, you potentially save around £20 pm, apparently the French love shafting the English and yet the Americans are tickling the frenches arse's so something is afoot.

Neil
03-02-2014, 16:04
If it helps 2012 does not have this issue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows...m_requirements

alex
03-02-2014, 14:49
I think it's still possible to change the limitation:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...m=winservergen
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...m=winservergen

I had similar issue on desktop computer, installed 6GB, available 3GB - sucks but corrected the issue.

Kode
02-02-2014, 11:02
That's more a limitation of the disks themselves rather than raid, regardless though, performance is going to be better in raid 0 than for a single disk because each disc would be performing 150 tasks rather than a single disc performing 300 tasks (simplified for the example, but you get the idea)

avizeke
02-02-2014, 00:52
very insightful neddy.

i was under the impression that software raid under raid option 0 would deteriorate responsiveness based on system load. running at least 300 tasks from about 300 different directories and reading the data in each... can be a struggle for sata HD. i was thinking it would have the same issue with software raid. as a bottlenecking issue.

NeddySeagoon
02-02-2014, 00:30
For raid0, there is no impact, there is no redundency either. Raid0 spreads thet data out over all the members of the raid set.

For raid1, there is very little impact and then only on writes. Data has to be written to every member of the set.
Thats an extra DMA set up for the CPU and the bus bandwidth for the extra data transfer(s)

avizeke
01-02-2014, 23:45
Is there any windows 2008 products that allow 48 gb of ram....
Is there any of windows products that allow 48 gb of ram thats above 2008 ?

the sys manager system is very very handy. hate to say it but kudos ovh.
There is no where to edit for raid options yet ?

i have also been looking into raid software and hardware based. on raid 0 and 1. if the server is under heavy load, how much will this impact on software based raid....

Andy
01-02-2014, 19:00
One way around it would be to use the server as a virtualisation platform instead. You could use all of the resources that way with several OS's. But then you could choose one that allows all of the resources in the first place of course. Unfortunately MS do this for licensing reasons (so they can make more money).

NeddySeagoon
01-02-2014, 18:12
avizeke,

It looks like its a feature of Windows. MS has long been known for including limitations in their products to force their uses to pay more for the same product with the limitation relaxed or removed.

Its unfair to single out MS. Its a propriatary software way oy life.

avizeke
01-02-2014, 15:16
http://www.soyoustart.co.uk/offers.xml
SYS-W35-2 Intel Xeon W3530 4 c/ 8 t 2.8 GHz+ 48 GB 2 x 2 TB SATA Soft 200 Mbps 1 Gbps


this server here with windows 2008 web edition has a bottleneck.... i think. on system information it shows that total ram is 48gb, but total physical ram of 32 gig. is this a unfixable bottleneck

Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 48.0 GB
Total Physical Memory 32.0 GB
Available Physical Memory 30.1 GB
Total Virtual Memory 36.0 GB
Available Virtual Memory 34.0 GB


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Server_2008_R2
Minimum: 512 MB RAM (may limit performance and some features)
Recommended: 2 GB RAM
Maximum: 8 GB RAM (Foundation), 32 GB RAM (Standard), or 2 TB RAM (Enterprise, Datacenter and Itanium-Based Systems)


Is there any way around this. this bottleneck should really be made clear... before buying... when i buy i believe there are no bottlenecks.